By Cheryl Dowden, January 9, 2020
Is Hot Springs Village (HSV) a gated community? A lot of controversies revolve around whether Hot Springs Village is a gated community.
At the Lakes Committee meeting yesterday, January 8, 2020, a very interesting topic was brought up. There was concern from some about the use of HSVPOA lakes by non-paying guests. Presently there is only an honor system in place but often guests use HSVPOA lakes for free.
It was suggested at this meeting that booting vehicles/boat trailers with a sizable fee to have the boot removed might eliminate this problem, once the word got out.
Chief Member Experience Officer (CMEO), Jamie Caperton was at this meeting and stated that this could not be done.
The question was asked as to why not? It was also stated that we are private property, we are a gated community.
CMEO Caperton’s response was curious. She said that Hot Springs Village is not a gated community. This took some by surprise that she should say this.
Edited: I have since been told that this is not what Ms. Caperton stated and instead discussed whether we want to have a welcoming image or not. Whichever way she said it, the article still stands as the CMP considers the gates “unwelcoming”.
Some folks feel the gates are presently so porous, that we are not a gated community. In contrast, others feel that we are and it is stated as such in numerous places.
- The official HSVPOA website, Explore the Village cites, “Hot Springs Village is the largest gated community in the United States.”
- Additionally, according to ideal-Living, we are a gated community. Of course, ideal-Living also says our best features include 55 Plus, Equestrian, and Community Garden. While we are not technically a 55-plus age-restricted community, the majority of our residents are of retirement age. We do welcome all ages. We also do not have equestrian facilities or a community garden, that ideal-Living credits us with having.
- Furthermore, the Arkansas State of Tourism website describes us as being a gated community.
There are ample examples on the internet with HSV being described as a gated community. What is the reality of our gates and will we retain them in the long run?
What the CMP has to say about the gates
Observation 6: EXISTING GATES (CMP Page 134)
6.1 Gates provide the perception of safety, but are troublesome to monitor and are expensive to staff.
6.2 Residents strongly identify with the concept of a gated community, despite the emerging reality that the gates are a limiting factor to sustaining commercial development, and perceived intrusions by non-members who visit the Village and the lakes.
Really? The gates are perceived [as] intrusions by non-members who visit the Village and the lakes? Is this why Jamie Caperton stated at the Lake Committee meeting that we are not a gated community?
Was this possibly said because one of our recently-added governing documents, the Comprehensive Master Plan (CMP), is a New Urbanism plan? Although the CMP is accepting of the reality of Villagers desiring the gates, the authors of the CMP are not in favor of gated communities.
Andres Duany’s stance on gated communities
This is what the “Father of New Urbanism,” Andres Duany and co-developer of our CMP has to say about gated communities (taken from page 15 of the pdf below – Mr. Duany’s answers are in green):
Q. “New Urbanists have not been happy with gated communities, but they seem to be popular.”
A. “New Urbanists are categorically against gated communities. For many years gated communities have been just a marketing ploy. I’m completely certain that we do not need gated communities, although I think security will become increasingly important. But good design that gets people to be outside and to look outside, not gates, makes neighborhoods more secure.”
Q. “Can you discuss the negative implications?”
A. “Well, first of all, there’s a discontinuity in the network grid, for traffic. There is only one way in and one way out. Therefore it overloads certain roads that then become pedestrian-unfriendly. Secondly, it’s an economic monoculture. Your children can’t live with you because they’re in a different economic bracket. Everyone has to commute in that mows the lawn, or teaches in school. They basically secede from the public realm. They get themselves a private government; they maintain themselves at a higher standard and they willingly tax themselves to do that. These are people who are normally well-heeled who should be taking care of politics and they don’t. So it takes a lot of talent away from politics and local government.”
Q. “What about businesses within it, restaurants and things like that?”
A. “Well, they hardly work. Retail doesn’t work at all, and if you have clients and if you’re working through fiber in your house against the rules it can be a dead giveaway at the gate, because why are these people coming?”
“What Makes A Good Town” – Architect Andres Duany explains the principles of the New Urbanism” By Steven S. Ross ■ Editor-In-Chief)
What_Makes_a_Good_Town_RossWhat else does the CMP have to say about the gates?
7.1 Access to the Village is limited for those who want to learn more about the Village and its recreational assets. The need for increased commercial activity is a counter influence to the need to maintain the perception of gate security. The Village wants businesses to thrive, but those businesses need access to more customers to sustain operations. Those new customers must come from outside of the gates.
In my opinion, it is not a matter of “if” the gates come down, it is a matter of “when”. For the CMP’s mandated Town Centers to be successful, the gates need to come down.
By Cheryl Dowden, January 9, 2020
*”Tailgator – Alerts You When Vehicles Are ‘Tail-Gating'”
As an aside, the Tailgator system from International Security Networks (ISN) helps to keep out tailgaters in gated communities. (We are currently in litigation with ISN.)
“Monitors and alerts when unauthorized vehicles follow authorized vehicles through a gated entry.
- Multiple Pictures of every vehicle are displayed.
- The Tailgator is displayed in red box and sounds an alert.
- Makes your community safer.
- Avoids broken gates!
- Helps identify gate runners.”
Anonymous
01/09/2020 — 10:06 am
As quoted – “While we are not technically a 55-plus age-restricted community, the majority of our residents are of retirement age. We do welcome all ages.”
Sorry but – NO – not ALL of us “welcome all ages.”
The sad fact is – the more non-retirees we allow into the Village with their families and kids, the higher our crime rate will rise.
Hard fact. Sobering reality.
HSVP C
01/09/2020 — 10:39 am
Thank you for your comment. I understand that not everyone welcomes all ages. When I write, I am speaking for myself and Joe.
But the reality of it is that this is not an age-restricted community and there are younger people living here. I love all people, regardless of age and it is too late to make this into an age-restricted community.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 — 1:09 pm
Disagree Cheryl: It is not too late. Grandfather those that are here and restrict from here on out. Simple. Just takes a CEO and BOD with a spine to make it happen. The majority of Property Owners would, I’m certain, support it.
HSVP C
01/09/2020 — 2:28 pm
I can see something like your plan working if that is what the majority want. (And it probably is.)
Voletta Chavis
01/13/2020 — 1:18 pm
Yes, Anonymous, I agree with your comment. I do not want to live among younger couples with children. I love people of all ages and I dearly love children but I want to live among the elderly now. HSV is falsely advertised as a retirement community and I take every opportunity to make this truth known.
Anonymous
01/13/2020 — 9:01 am
Age discrimination defendant.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 — 11:20 am
The gates may as well come down now. They are useless. Anyone can get into hsv any time they want, for any reason, or for no reason. The gates are a farce. Sad, since many of us moved here because we thought it was truly “gated”.
Andy Kramek
01/09/2020 — 11:24 am
It used to be different, for sure – something I documented last July
https://hotspringsvillagepeople.com/farewell-to-a-secure-hot-springs-village/
Earl Koziol
01/09/2020 — 11:30 am
Yes, open the gates and you will see more traffic! More people just wandering through and using our amenities for free. More people using our roads who don’t pay a dime for them. More people using DeSoto as a thru road east to west. More people who do not belong here and more criminals!
Karen Bump
01/09/2020 — 11:37 am
I do not understand when the CMP became a governing document that we have to build policies and activities around instead of being a guide, as Leslie Nally described it before the vote on policies last year. All the sudden after elections last year it became a governing document? Listening to the last CMPAC meeting it seemed like a total waste of time for the committee members and staff that attended. I thought the CMPAC was formed to pick parts of the CMP that might work and eliminate other parts that do not fit our community. Yet every meeting I have watched its about how to communicate the CMP better to the villagers, not eliminating anything. Taking down gates or trying to turn this village into an urban oasis is never going to fly.
Sam Taylor
01/09/2020 — 11:53 am
You are exactly right! Everyone talks about it being a fluid document, and that reality may be very different from the document. The reality that we see now is them trying to make the implementation easier NOT getting rid of things that will never work here.
Penny
01/09/2020 — 12:06 pm
I for one want the gates. One of the many reasons we moved here for additional security due to having had a stalker.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 — 3:44 pm
We came because of the beauty of the place, low taxes etc. The gates
were a big plus in our opinion,We feel the Village should restrict those who come in here for our amenities should pay to use them No Free lunch If they come in to go to church or estate sales etc then we must ensure in someway that is what they are going to do. If they come to use the pool or tennis courts they must pay before entering the village
Frank Shears aka Bubba
01/09/2020 — 3:59 pm
The comments, “This is not a retirement community, The gates provide no security at all”, are both false and true at the same time. Please let me explain.
Hot Springs Village was originally built to be a retirement and golfing community. This has been stated by the original developer, John Cooper, on several occasions, before, during and after development began. However, there are NO age or retirement requirements at all in our community. The fact that over 70% of our community population is OVER the age of 60, in my mind, makes it appropriate to call us a “Retirement Community” and I, for one, will continue to do so.
The fact that we have gates at ALL the entrances to our Village make this a GATED community in my mind. Granted, it will not completely stop crooks, thieves, vandals, etc. from entering the Village. However, it WILL make most of the criminals stop entering here to do their nasty deeds. This is just like locking your doors when you leave home, or when you park your car. A locked door will not keep anyone out of a house or car if they are determined to get in. Think about how easy it is to break a window and climb through the opening or to use a credit card to unlock the doors.
We moved here knowing these facts, yet our primary criteria when choosing a place to retire was a “Gated Community” because the national and State crime rate statistics prove that gates are a major deterrent to criminals intent on entering. Yes, the gates will not keep ALL criminals out of our Village but they are a significant help.
Just my two cents.
George Sorrell
01/15/2020 — 2:38 pm
Frank,
As you have suggested, when someone is intent upon taking something that does not belong to them, locks often will not prevent the crime.
Ultimately, locks and security becomes a matter of Cost versus how much security is necessary. For example, if my home contained 100 gold bars (WHICH IT DOSEN’T), I can assure you I would have better locks on my doors/windows along with a security alarm system. As it is, I feel normal door locks are sufficient.
I personally want the gates. It was one of the decision factors for moving here. I want us to restrict who comes through the gates to only those who live or work in the Village. If you’ve seen either of my vehicles riding around the Village with the “SAVE OUR GATES” sign, that was me. The Gates prevent the need for bars on my windows, in my opinion. However, I can see where business owners may have a completely different point of view.
Many of us assume the CEO is planning to eliminate the Gates. This will be vehemently denied but we see evidence of this in the CMP concept. What I did not realize is that it seems our Gates are being slowly decommissioned without our knowledge. When I tried to enter the gate for the very first time way back in the 70’s (just to look around), they would not let me in. Since I moved here, I had assumed this was still the policy being enforced. Obviously, I was wrong.
At some point in time, we (the Villagers) will have to determine how much security we want, how much it costs and whether or not we are willing to pay for it.
At this time, it would seem we think we are paying for a security Gate but getting a welcoming committee. This would not be the fault of our security people. This would be the fault of management.
Man from the clouds
01/09/2020 — 5:34 pm
Can you imagine if the village was in South Chicago LOL
Man from the clouds
01/09/2020 — 5:40 pm
At least we don’t have homeless people setting up tents on the side of the roads to live in
Andy Kramek
01/10/2020 — 9:00 am
Actually we do (or at least, did!).
This really did happen a couple of years ago on Hendaye Way (opposite the 13th hole on Ponce golf course). Fortunately the person in question was removed from the village and the damage done was repaired by a couple of residents.
Anonymous
01/10/2020 — 11:22 pm
Not yet.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 — 7:37 pm
Thank you for the good article Cheryl! I really think most HSV Residents do not support using the CMP to guide our community. So much needs to be changed in the plan that we might as well start fresh with a new plan. Their attitude towards the gates is a prime example.
I’m very comfortable with the way our gates are currently run, and hope they stay that way. Gates will never be able to completely keep crime out of HSV, but they are obviously a strong deterrent, because crime in HSV is amazingly low compared to most other communities.
This is a wonderful retirement community because it has so much to offer the retired residents (physical activity, fun clubs, opportunities to make friends and socialize, safety, & beauty).
It’s also a wonderful community for young families to raise their children (if they can find adequate employment). I think it’s a wonderful place for children to grow up! We have a family with 3 school age boys living across the street. I see them walking down to the boat dock with fishing poles in hand, etc. I love that all ages can enjoy living here!
Anonymous
01/10/2020 — 6:49 pm
Some people have a problem with kids, maybe they never had any because of their problem, maybe they were never actually able to live well in their childhood. Might be angry that their grandchildren do not want to visit them. No wonder. Jesus loved children.
Fred
01/10/2020 — 8:22 am
According to the quote above from the CMP it claims access to HSV is limited. It is not limited at all. All you have to do is stop and the gate and then drive right in.
Nothing to it.
At all.
Gates will come down in the near future….that is why they are not being policed now…slowly making them meaningless…
Kathy Henderson
01/11/2020 — 1:39 pm
Gates? What gates? People are not stopped from running them, people don’t get fined for doing so, no one goes after them, so what gates? It must just be our imagination that there are gates!
NittyGritty
01/11/2020 — 6:51 pm
It’s an idiocracy! Hot Springs = Hot Springs Village – gates. Hot Springs is DAILY drug arrests, drugged up drivers, car thefts, shootings, stabbings, home invasions. If Villagers wanted that, they would’ve moved to Hot Springs, not the Village! It will get even worse when the casino is operational. If retirees didn’t mind that, they would’ve moved to Las Vegas. A Village officer recently let a tailgater get away with deliberately and repeatedly bumping the car ahead. The officer made NO mention of “RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT” or “WILLFUL DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY”. The officer actually reprimanded the card USER for being in the tailgater’s way! WHAT are we paying these officers for? They do the OPPOSITE of help. They tell you to note the tailgater’s license plate, then IF it later turns out to be a resident, they’ll make a fool of you for reporting it. If it turns out to be a non-resident rapist, murderer, kidnapper, or thief, then the joke, again, is on a resident! (because the dirty deed’s been DONE)! I will only use manned gates on my way IN any more as my best effort NOT to let tailgaters in. As for any card-carrying tailgaters (yes, it’s shockingly true!), YOU should be the victims of any criminals you let in!
Anonymous
01/12/2020 — 9:56 pm
Wow, some people must have a lot of enemies to worry so much. Maybe you should spend your time day and night watching the gates and report any non-decal cars coming in. 50 years have proven that only residents and property owners come here 99.9% of the time. Is it tailgating if you go out before the gate closes also? Is it tailgating if you pass through the red light while the guard is waving you through? Is the President tailgating when he follows his entourage through the White House gate? Is it tailgating when your neighbor invites you to their home? The sky is not falling and it may take you a while to realize that we live in a peaceful part of this State and this Nation.
NittyGritty
01/12/2020 — 11:34 pm
You obviously do not read the Hot Springs Sentinel Record often. You are wrong and mean-spirited to suppose that only those deserving of many enemies are victims of crime. Innocent people are often victims.
Anonymous
01/16/2020 — 7:18 pm
Hot Springs does not have gates.
Anonymous
01/15/2020 — 2:52 pm
The issue is we are paying for 24/7 Gate security but we are not getting it. This is not the fault of our security Guards. They are only following orders from someone above them.
Our police also take orders from the CEO. Gate policy will thus be determined as part of managerial preference. End of story.
Anonymous
01/16/2020 — 7:25 pm
We are “getting it” but it is costing a million per year and it is nowhere as good as it was with 30 year vets who knew each resident by name. All fired to be replaced with this out of town contractor.
Anonymous
01/16/2020 — 8:00 pm
Our Police only follow orders of our State and Federal legislatures and use to guard the gates, but are now separate from our new out of town security company hired by the rouge BOD supposedly to “save money”. They may allow more than 3 warnings to the ceo for speeding though.
Patty MacDonald
01/13/2020 — 11:07 am
I am writing from memory about a comment made at any early HSV POA Lakes Committee meeting held possibly 25-30 years ago. The issue was why we let non- property owners use our lakes. The answer then was that AR Game and Fish Commision tax money was used to purchase and release fingeling fish to stock our lakes. Therefore, we could not exclude the general population from using our lakes. I don’t know if this is still true, but I suppose an argument could be made that our present fish population still has DNA from those early stockings. Lake Cortez resident since 1984
Dan Hitch
01/18/2020 — 8:57 pm
When Cooper built his communities why weren’t they age restricted instead of come one come all.
Jean
01/20/2020 — 4:38 pm
The reason our crime is lower may have something to do with gates (it is SOMETHING of a deterrent) but mainly we have less crime because we have fewer criminals living in the Village. It is known that the highest demographic for crime is males, age 18-25. Older people rarely commit violet crimes (or any crimes). The gate situation is unmanageable because in order to strictly staff them we would need enforcement of breaches at all card gates (to stop tailgaters) as well as beefing up staff at the East and West gates…and staff costs a lot of money. I feel safer living her than in any city I’ve ever been in, but there are criminals living here (check the AR sex offender registry, for example) and gates we can afford cannot keep everyone out.