By Frank Leeming, Former HSVPOA Board Director, 12/13/19
The numbers say we can do better
Thank you, class, for your excellent feedback on our report Wednesday on how our Hot Springs Village pro shops are managed. Your comments generally fell into three categories:
- Surprise.
- Concern.
- Anger at me.
Concern focused on:
A) whether there is a conflict of interest with the golf director overseeing himself.
B) why this important part of the POA golf program isn’t put out for competitive bidding, as we do when we look for someone to run a restaurant or pave our streets.
The anger was expressed by CEO Lesley Nalley on Nextdoor:
“Shame on former board member Frank Leeming for once again inciting anger towards POA staff members and using information that he obtained under false pretenses and then distorted to do so. Our fine POA staff deserves better. For Christmas can we please put down the pitchforks and recognize the value of POA staff (below the CEO) rather than using them as targets?”
Several of you wrote to say what good guys Tom Heffer and Rick Ross are, and I wholeheartedly agree. That, however, is not the issue.
The issue is whether our pro shops are being run in a way that’s best for the POA, Hot Springs Village property owners and those who play our courses.
In researching this, I learned an accepted barometer for measuring how well a golf pro shop is doing is “golf pro-shop revenue for each round of golf played.”
The Association of Golf Merchandisers (AGM) said the figures in 2011 were:
Public courses – $8.52 in retail sales for each round of golf played.
Private courses – $16.35.
Resort courses – $30.98.
A detailed analysis of Bella Vista’s five courses showed revenue in the pro shops at its five courses was $3.28 for each round of golf played.
In the last 12 months in Hot Springs Village, revenue in the pro shops at our eight courses was $1.59 a round (see the chart below).
So there appears to be room for growing the revenue in our pro shops.
Would it help to delay renewing the management contracts with Tom Heffer and Rick Ross (they’re up for renewal on Dec. 31) and advertise nationally to see who might be interested in running our pro shops, and how they might change things?
Some of you pointed out Villagers are notoriously tight-fisted and would rather buy their golf balls at Walmart and new clubs from Amazon because they can save a few bucks. Others say they do that because our pro shops don’t carry the right merchandise.
Maybe it’s time to take an outside look at this.
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Some other golf stats for you to consider:
Bella Vista’s total golf revenue for each round in 2017 at its five courses was $27.11 – $4,103,047 in revenue and 151,327 rounds.
In Hot Springs Village, total golf revenue for each round in 2017 at our eight courses was $25.67 – $6,251,081 in revenue and 243,517 rounds.
Average annual retail sales in golf pro shops in 2011 were:
Public courses – $326,979.
Private courses – $479,800.
Resort courses – $1,467,586.
Bella Vista (five courses, 2017) – $497,066.
Hot Springs Village (eight courses, last 12 months) – $343,829.
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Now, for those of you who really like to dig down in the weeds, I’d urge you to take a look at the 125-page Bella Vista Golf Market Analysis prepared last year by Golf Property Analysts of Conshohocken, Penn. It takes a very detailed look at the golf business in our sister community in northwest Arkansas and includes a lot of material useful for Villagers.
Like our $500,000 Comprehensive Master Plan, the Bella Vista study contains a lot of boiler-plate information the analysts paste in to make the report look good, but you can quickly zip forward to the good stuff about Bella Vista and the other golf courses in that area, and what the analysts say about our courses.
See the pdf at the bottom of this article to view a copy of the Bella Vista report.
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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!
Click pdf below to view Bella Vista Golf Market Analysis
Bella_Vista_Report_7_3_18By Frank Leeming, 12/13/19
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Anonymous
12/13/2019 — 7:27 pm
Frank, there is no anger coming from any one of our members with the exception of the CEO who has been on a losing streak for the last 4 years and only recently became a member. Withholding incriminating information from the very members who pay her salary. Please know that there is no more proper purpose than yours as a member to know the workings of the CEO and to communicate that information to your fellow members. Non-profit tax-exempt status forbids any one individual from profiteering off of non-profit organizations. The CEO’s name to that contract is reason for termination. Each Board member condoning this is also reason for removal.
Gus Noble
12/20/2019 — 9:18 am
I can think of many reasons for us to fire our inept CEO but you see many non-profits with leaders/CEO’s profiteering such as one of the big ones – United Way. Few are run like the Salvation Army. Just saying…
Linda anderson
12/13/2019 — 8:45 pm
Frank, I am so proud of you for standing up to alert and inform the membership about what this leadership is capable of doing .
LN is angry and on the rampage because she has to blame someone else for her decisions. She got caught approving suspicious contracts especially when they involve a high level staff member already on the POA “PAYROLL “. Notice that she did not say this was not true. As a “setting Board member “, this is a huge conflict of interest and should be addressed by the Board. This is an abuse of power and shows corruption is alive and well.
John P
12/13/2019 — 11:30 pm
Linda Anderson and “anonymous” do more research and get back to us. You’ve apparently missed some golf committee and board meetings over the last 20 years.
Phil Lemler
12/14/2019 — 8:13 am
Hey John P … attending golf committee and board meetings are NOT the answer. Managing golf … and HSV .. like a business is where the solutions reside … Frank is simply pointing out the fallacies of the existing structure … your “research” comment to Ms. Anderson is also misplaced … I have done the research and Frank is correct … the current methodology is broken!
Jack
12/14/2019 — 4:07 pm
Where is the business model that proves your research, Phil? What is the return to the POA for an alternative setup and when can we expect to achieve it?
Did anyone else notice with HSV having 3 more golf courses our subsidy is lower than the BV report Frank included as support?
Phil Lemler
12/14/2019 — 5:14 pm
Jack – I have offered my research, business/marketing plan and business/revenue model to the POA numerous times. They refused to consider it. I have offered to debate the existing HSV business strategy versus mine/others with the CEO, any board member, their marketing firms, the CMP consultants or anyone else … again no response.
I have offered to work as a POA board/CEO adviser (free of charge) to help the Village fix its revenue problems, implement a sensible marketing strategy and begin producing enough revenue so HSV does not have to subsidize its courses … but same result … no response.
Jack, what is your opinion of an organization who is in trouble yet refuses the counsel of experienced and seasoned businesspeople (myself as well as many others)?
Anonymous
12/13/2019 — 10:27 pm
What we have here is 1. Nepotism, and 2. Side deal with an employee. Neither of these would be tolerated in corporate America.
steve bylow
12/13/2019 — 10:56 pm
Thanks for the follow-up article with relevant facts and for referencing the CEO’s editorial on Nextdoor.
A common theme from our CEO is the use of “red herrings” like; “incite anger”, “false pretense”, “under value staff”… in an attempt to distract POA members from the real problem which is the failure to effectively manage and lead the POA.
Some “red herrings” I’ve heard in the past from POA leadership include:
1. The POA is such a complex organization.
2. The small vocal minority is damaging the reputation of HSV.
3. POA members (old people) are unreasonable.
4. The POA CEO is doing better than prior POA CEO’s.
5. The law or policy says we can’t share _______ information.
6. Cooper is the boogey-man.
The good news is “red herrings” are not an effective long-term strategy for trying to shift the focus from the real problem.
In other words, I’m optimistic the 2020 will bring in seasoned Board members who will provide appropriate oversight and accountability.
Blake
12/14/2019 — 5:27 am
1984 rules. Rules for radicals. It is all a smokescreen and all of us dupes are allowing it to continue.
Why call yourself a “ceo” if there isn’t a company on the face of the planet that would hire you as a “ceo”?
Moe
12/14/2019 — 5:24 am
It was very kind of the “ceo” to take time from her busy day to chastise you for trying to make HSV a better place.
Notice she said nothing about the mismanagement and poor sales associated with the golf. Not a word.
Nice work if you can get. Criticize but then do nothing to fix the problem.
I rest my case about these people. They are not only inept, they are also a bit sad.
John Dethardt
12/14/2019 — 7:10 am
I have no problem with Rick Ross, that his only business. We use to have one director of golf, he handle everything. Now we have 5 people running the department. With all the extra help i guess the golf director has time to give lesson order mechandice and count all his money coming in. If it looks like a duck and walk like duck its a duck.. What is the total salary of all 5, good place to clean house. Tom, Gary, Matt, Mike, and Madge.
Scott
12/14/2019 — 8:08 am
When you say “he handled everything”, are you including talking the POA into paying for golf courses when the developer was supposed to? We could have saved a lot by not spending those millions.
Phil Lemler
12/14/2019 — 9:54 am
Scott – that comment makes no sense!
Anonymous
12/17/2019 — 9:08 pm
You are right Scott, we could have saved a lot by not spending those millions given to us by the Developer on the Woodlands instead of on the Golf course where the money was supposed to. Did any of that come out of your pocket?
Anon
12/14/2019 — 11:51 am
Frank, this is a very good analysis of the present situation with our “pro shops”. You did miss one salient point: That is all golf league member proceeds and and winnings can only be realized on limited and overpriced golf shop merchandise. If these monies for “forced sales” were accounted for, the numbers would be even more dismal.
Jeanette
12/14/2019 — 12:06 pm
Scott’s comment makes a lot of sense. If anyone living in the Village during the last 25-30 years were paying attention to what would happen to their community by allowing the developer to continue to build golf courses, I’m sure they would have stopped him. Instead, because they were only thinking about themselves and not the future of their community, they continued to help the developer build those courses. Of course, they also allowed this same developer to be in control of the budget of the POA for much of the time in question. This is what many people are advocating we do again today. We better be careful and look at the history of the Village when we vote next year. If you read the conclusion of the “golf course analysis” done for Bella Vista that Frank Leeming made available, I believe you will see that they have recommended they close 36 holes of golf in the community. This is what may happen in the Village, and it is all because a developer didn’t have a plan to build a “community” but was only interested in building as many courses as he possibly could to make as much money as he possibly could. Now, the owners in the Village have to pay the price for this irresponsible behavior.
Tonya albertson
12/14/2019 — 3:47 pm
I have lived in the village since 1976. So I know some of this history. Cooper built the first two courses on his own dime. The village grow by leaps and bounds. Not enough tee times. So cooper offered low interest to the poa to build more courses. Every course was approved by the board not cooper Surcharges were agreed by the residents and the board. By the way each board meeting was open to all and could make comments and suggestions at any time.
Then the economy tanked for ten years. Some other poor ideas hurt us too but had to ride out the National economy the most. As I see it since the ten year recession of 2001 we have had terrible managers ceo and some department managers to the point we have been shooting ourselves in the foot. It has to change now.
Anonymous
12/14/2019 — 6:34 pm
Thank you Tonya for telling it like it is since ’76, you have a truer perspective than the rest of us.
Phil Lemler
12/14/2019 — 4:17 pm
Jeanette … Tonya Albertson is correct in assessing the golf course development issue. This is not the fault of Cooper! The problem HSV has is a revenue problem. You could eliminate half of the golf courses and the financial problems will still exist. Closing courses will not help.
HSV needs to elect a board who will build a management team that understands how to create revenue. A solid revenue plan will solve ALL of the Village’s problems. With a robust revenue generating strategy (formulated by people who know what they are doing), the golf courses could remain healthy and unsubsidized. Deferred maintenance could be brought up to date. A maintenance fund could be established for future maintenance needs. Capital development funds could be set aside for swimming pools or lodging or golf course renovation or whatever the Village capital needs required.
The CEO does not understand revenue creation. It is not her fault, she has been in accounting most of her career and revenue has just showed up. If you analyze the experience of most of the POA board (past and present), they have not been in positions where they were responsible (for a large organization) for revenue creation.
We need board members like Dick Garrison and Lloyd Sherman who understand revenue generation.
So you can blame Cooper. You can eliminate golf courses. You can continue to raise fees. But, the problem is one of revenue. It is now and has been for sometime. HSV just needs a board who understands this!
Jack
12/14/2019 — 5:25 pm
Phil no one is interested in your old revenue/marketing conflict with the Board/CEO. You said you performed analysis specific to Frank’s claims here on golf retail. Post it for us.
HSVP C
12/14/2019 — 6:32 pm
Jack or whatever your name is, at least Phil is posting using his real name. Why are you afraid to post using your real name? – Cheryl
Anonymous
12/14/2019 — 6:43 pm
Jack, you are the only no one, the rest of us are keenly interested in Phil’s revenue skills.
Phil Lemler
12/14/2019 — 9:32 pm
Jack – obviously no one (meaning the POA board, the CEO or those who blindly follow the CMP through general blind ignorance) are interested in my old revenue/marketing conflict with the Board/CEO. This is mostly because my strategies, as well as most others who offer ideas based on sound business philosophies, are in conflict with the CMP. In reality, within my ideas (and others like Dick Garrison, Lloyd Sherman, Tom Blakeman) the true solutions to HSV’s future resides.
However, to even give CMP alternatives the light of day would risk the very foundation of the CMP and might expose its substantial fallacies. The POA has painted itself into a corner and cannot (and will never) admit they made a poor decision. Instead they continue to promote a “broken” plan, spend even more money attempting to force the implementation of the CMP (against all common sense), hide its inefficiencies and failures in “dog and pony” committees and continue to fool Villagers with slight of hand tactics, misrepresentations and a fictional narrative designed to keep the uneducated in tow.
Regarding my “research” … most of the articles, letters to the board and other papers I have authored have already been published and are available if you search for them.
NittyGritty
12/15/2019 — 12:44 pm
Lemler,
I find it alarming that you commented “Capital development funds could be set aside for…LODGING…”. Non-profit lodging is a no-no for Hot Springs Village. There is already all kinds of lodging being constructed at & near the neighboring casino. Our POA is in need of simplifying, not further complicating.
Phil Lemler
12/15/2019 — 1:34 pm
You certainly have the right to your own opinion … “Nitty Gritty” …
Gritty
12/16/2019 — 8:26 pm
No thanks to you for that, Lemler.
Phil Lemler
12/17/2019 — 8:19 am
What do you mean Mr Gritty? By “no thanks to me that you have the right to your own opinion”. Are you suggesting I have tried to limit your right to an opinion?
Jeanette
12/14/2019 — 6:53 pm
There is so much rationalizing going on here, it is scary. The By Laws for the Village said that CCI was responsible for the building of amenities. The Boards had to agree to help build them, but keep in mind that the Coopers controlled our Boards and POA for many years. Of course, they built golf courses because they made more money selling lots on courses and lakes. I think responsible building of a community would have developed lots in neighborhoods surrounding three or four courses to be maintained. To blame the situation we are in on our management team is grossly unfair. If you think a few new people, some of whom haven’t lived in the Village very long have some magic solutions to our problems you are dreaming. Our management team has done a very good job maintaining our Village in very adverse conditions and with zero help from John Cooper. New people will not do any better. We simply have too many courses to maintain.. As with Bella Vista, we will have to agree to keep subsidizing them. To think otherwise, I feel is foolish. We could easily manage the Village with a more reasonable assessment fee. The low assessment I blame on the Coopers, also. They kept it low for their marketing efforts.
Sue
12/14/2019 — 7:44 pm
Jeanette, blaming Cooper for the lucrative contract between the CEO and our Director of Golf, concerning our golf pro-shops, is nothing less than asinine. It seems you believe that the failures of our CEO can be traced to Cooper. You are delusional!
Jeanette
12/15/2019 — 11:48 am
I don’t blame anyone’s failures on the Coopers. I feel there was a failure on the part of the Coopers in the development plan of this Village. They developed some beautiful land into a beautiful community with no. consideration given to how the people moving into that community were going to maintain it over the long term.
Anonymous
12/20/2019 — 8:58 pm
CCI developed the POA to maintain it over the long term, the problem is this rogue Board and CEO who crammed the CNU’s CMP down our throats that has robbed us instead of maintaining us.
Minn Daly
12/14/2019 — 7:10 pm
Frank has been in HSV a long time, he is a past BOD member when the BOD actually cared for the members & cared for HSV. Phil Limler also cares for HSV, attempted to help the legacy BOD from making drastic mistakes with past court cases that he POA lost, because they would not listen. Tried to help them from spending money on CMP, & other issues. The problem is this BOD does not want to see the costly errors they have made. CEO does not want to be accountable, why should she be, the BOD reports to her. In order to make change we must elect 3 NEW BOD members, with hope that remaining legacy BOD will resign. We need NEW leaders, please support Lloyd, Tucker & Dick in upcoming election. In order to make change we need NEW leaders. Thank you Frank for statements that are so true & on target. Wishing that you would also run again. Minn Daly
Johhny C
12/14/2019 — 7:47 pm
Well said, Minn! “We need NEW leaders, please support Lloyd, Tucker & Dick in upcoming election. In order to make change we need NEW leaders.”
Julie
12/15/2019 — 11:24 am
I have an idea…in the future, whenever referring to LN, please put the “ceo” in quotes and use lower case letters…this will serve to drive her crazy…and will highlight the absolute insanity behind her fake title….please…we must fight these people every chance we get and trust me on this…it is a great idea….
“ceo”
Perfect. Says it all….
Julie
12/15/2019 — 3:49 am
The “CMP” will never be implemented…ever…regardless of who does what. It simply is not going to happen and every single day that is spent attempting to do so is a complete and utter waste of resources.
Wake up folks. And quit blaming people. You are the only ones to blame. You sit idly by while these crazies attempt to implement some boilerplate plan from some lame new urban outfit. A plan that will never work. Ever.
Corkie
12/15/2019 — 5:10 am
The “CMP” will never be implemented…ever…regardless of who does what. It simply is not going to happen and every single day that is spent attempting to do so is a complete and utter waste of resources.
Wake up folks. And quit blaming people. You are the only ones to blame. You sit idly by while these crazies attempt to implement some boilerplate plan from some lame new urban outfit. A plan that will never work. Ever.
Karen Daigle Lundberg
12/15/2019 — 2:17 pm
Corkie, I completely agree with you that the CMP will never be able to be implemented, and yet they continue to waste money on a plan that will never work. But your comment about “sitting idly by” leaves me very curious. I am sure you have seen the massive efforts the members have used to stop our BOD/CEO, yet we are continuously stopped by either our By-Laws or the changing of the By-Laws. I am extremely interested in what your ideas are to stop our rogue BOD/CEO. I can assure you that if you have ideas that will work, they will be tried, so please enlighten us.
Corkie
12/15/2019 — 4:00 pm
Not sure what to do except massive resistance. Withhold dues. Put in escrow. Find some good lawyers to sue these people for malfeasance. Move away.
At this point it all seems fruitless. I am so upset I am just going to get the hell out of here. I can’t stand it.
Karen Daigle Lundberg
12/15/2019 — 5:34 pm
Corkie, I think we can all say we understand your frustration. I wasn’t asking you that question to upset you. I asked you that question because you were blaming us….telling us we were to blame. You told us to quit sitting idly by. You are pointing your anger at us, and we are not the bad guys. Most of the people on these sites have been fighting this fight for over two years now. We are tired and discouraged, but we continue to fight. I don’t know how long you have been in this fight, Corkie, but we have all fought hard, and will continue to do so. We feel your frustration. But please don’t sit idly by at your keyboard and blame us. We wear the white hats.
Stephen Rust
12/15/2019 — 5:42 pm
Karen Daigle Lundberg, you say we have tried to stop the CEO/BOD but are hindered by by-laws or by by-laws being changed, yet we have two board candidates that want to keep the ability to change by-laws under board power. That’s part of our problem now, the Board’s ability to change governance to suit their situation. At least two candidates are evidently not in favor of membership being able to recall a board member we elect. And no I don’t believe the three candidates that have announced will solve all the village problems if elected.
Luke
12/15/2019 — 9:23 pm
Steve is the modern day biblical Moses that will part the Red Sea and save the Village. Moses (Steven Rust) has pretty much rejected sound candidates who are running on a anti-CEO change platform. Steve’s political agenda is approved by Judas. Vote for Steve!
Anonymous
12/17/2019 — 10:01 pm
Thank you, Judas, oops, I mean Luke, You might find that a majority of HSV members believe Moses parted the Red Sea. Thank you, Moses, for leading this Village in God’s way of truth.
Tom Blakeman
12/15/2019 — 5:59 pm
Steve, I’m not sure which candidates you are referring. Can you clarify?
Stephen Rust
12/15/2019 — 9:44 pm
Tom Blakeman, pm me, please.
Stephen Rust
12/15/2019 — 9:48 pm
Luke, you will have a hard time voting for Steve Rust since he is not running.
Luke, you are a coward for not using your real name. At least I speak the truth and am not ashamed of everyone knowing what I say.
BTW as I told Lesley Halley and Scott McCord the name is Stephen not Steven.
Stephen Rust
12/15/2019 — 9:56 pm
Luke, you will have a hard time voting for Steve Rust since he isn’t running. Why don’t you have the courage to use your real name. I’ve rejected no-one, I’ve simply stated the truth. BTW the name is Stephen.
Stephen Rust
12/15/2019 — 11:31 pm
Tom Blakeman, I sent questions to three candidates asking if they would be in favor of members having to vote in order to change the By-laws and if they would favor members being able to vote a director off the Board (we vote them on).
One candidate as a not in favor of either of these, one candidate refused to answer and the other candidate asked me to call or meet with them which I did. I had a length discussion with that candidate and was impressed with them.
I wasn’t impressed with a candidate that wouldn’t answer. Wondered if they would also ignore me and other villagers if elected.
Didn’t really care for a candidate that wants those powers to stay with the Board since some of our problems could have been prevented if the Board couldn’t easily change governing docs and if we could recall directors that have changed then that would also stop some problems.
Tom Blakeman
12/16/2019 — 9:42 am
Stephen, This is good stuff you’ve turned up and needs to somehow be brought to light, maybe by way of candidate forum if there is one.
Not sure how to accomplish this but before we get the rules changed such that bylaw changes are voted on it seems to me that we first need to get them revised back to what they should be which is more or less as they were about five years ago and then cement them in place by making further changes require a member vote.
Anonymous
12/21/2019 — 9:06 pm
Just go back to every change made since the Congress of New Urbanism card-carrying member Twiggs set the stage for DPZ to put the stranglehold on our Village which included allowing a 25% Quorum to pass the 2 tier assessment, the most divisive and corrupt vote created by Twiggs/DPZ. Check who the Board was made up of at that time. KK.
Stephen Rust
12/16/2019 — 10:04 am
Tom Blakeman, I agree totally and that was included in my questions to the candidates about changing by-laws back to what they should be before amending them to require member vote for further changes. If you are so Facebook and are on my page “Stephen Rust – Hot Springs Village” I posted some time back what I asked the candidates.
Thanks for your input.
Minn Daly
12/16/2019 — 10:08 am
Stephen Rust, thank you for the info on BOD candidates view on changes to governing by laws! Agree totally with Tom Blakeman. We need change of bylaws back about 10 years or to original ones that created BOD concepts. My support is still with Tucker, Dick & Lloyd, will inquire on this issue. Again thanks to you! The HSV board must be in contact with membership majority & uphold principles & laws of each county that HSV is located within. Minn Daly
Stephen Rust
12/16/2019 — 12:54 pm
Minn Daly, support who you want to, but as I said, one of these candidates wouldn’t even answer my questions and one was opposed to property owners having a vote on by-laws changes and opposed to property owners being able to vote out a board member.
Anonymous
12/17/2019 — 9:19 pm
Thank you for your information Stephen Rust. It helps me to understand that the three have quite differing opinions and I will vote accordingly.
Anonymous
12/20/2019 — 4:56 pm
Why won’t you name the candidates who you questioned?
HSVP C
12/20/2019 — 8:06 pm
Why won’t you name yourself?
Anonymous
12/20/2019 — 9:02 pm
Wha t is your name HSVP C12/20/2019 — 8:06 pm?
HSVP C
12/21/2019 — 7:49 am
My name is Cheryl Dowden. What is your name Anonymous?
Stephen Rust
12/20/2019 — 10:21 pm
Anonymous, I would ask why won’t you give your name? Give me your name and I will give you the candidates I sent the questions to and their responses.
Anonymous
12/21/2019 — 8:50 pm
Let’s not give all the credit to anonymous or forget that there are for sure, many anonymous.
Stephen Rust
12/21/2019 — 9:08 pm
No credit intended to someone that doesn’t have courage to use their name.
Anonymous
12/22/2019 — 9:11 pm
Let’s focus on the message, not the messenger. The message was that you lack the courage to name the candidates who you questioned? Does that make you a coward?
Stephen Rust
12/22/2019 — 9:33 pm
Good try anonymous, I have given this info to several people, face to face and by other means when I know to whom I am speaking. So no I don’t lack courage. But Mr., Mrs., Ms. Or whatever you are, identify yourself or no info. Or email or PM me and I will meet with you and give you the info. But then I doubt you have the courage to meet with me. Have a good life, there will be no more debate from me.
Anonymous
12/23/2019 — 10:02 pm
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good life.
Steven Mason
06/08/2021 — 7:41 am
Why has this blog appeared in with the 2021 blogs when it is several years old?
HSVP C
06/08/2021 — 8:34 am
Is the situation ongoing?