By Frank Leeming, February 28, 2020
Four things to think about when you fill out your POA board ballot
Ballots for this year’s board of directors election will be mailed tomorrow to property owners in good standing. There are four primary things we need to consider as we cast our votes:
- Who do we think will take Hot Springs Village in the proper direction?
- Which candidates will stick to their campaign pledges?
- Of all the issues facing the next board, which are the most important, and are your candidates ready to deal with them?
- Finally, with Buddy Dixon’s resignation last week, four of the five candidates on the ballot will be elected. Who do you think should not be?
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- For me, the first item is easy. After sitting down with all five candidates, I believe Dick Garrison, Tucker Omohundro, and Lloyd Sherman have the best qualifications to be on the POA board. I think they will seriously seek the solutions they’ve outlined in the campaign.
This is a serious issue because property owners have been deceived by four of the last five candidates we elected. Cindi Erickson, Tormey Campagna, Nancy Luehring, and Dixon all said the right thing to get elected, then fell under the spell of the CEO and turned their backs on the voters.
Dismay and distrust followed.
If you include the Declarations defeat, this will be the fourth consecutive election in which property owners have voted against policies approved by prior boards and promoted by the CEO.
Property owners have a right to be wary of what candidates promise.
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The 10 issues four of the five candidates said top their lists of things they want to do if elected are (Nikki Choyce did not respond to the survey):
- Revoke or revise policies and bylaws adopted in the last three years to shift Village governance to a “corporate” rather than a community environment.
- Trim high-paid staff.
- Replace the CEO and change the job title back to general manager.
- Revise or abolish the Comprehensive Master Plan (CMP).
- Adopt transparency as a priority goal for both the board and the POA.
- Create a standing board Marketing Committee to help develop a more successful strategy for the Village.
- Abolish the Governance Committee.
- Direct the Architectural Control Committee (ACC) to work with builders and Realtors to cut back rules imposed as part of the CMP.
- Guide the new Finance Committee in developing a long-term plan to guarantee the Village’s future financial health.
- Develop a five-year plan for maintaining our infrastructure, particularly our roads, which have been neglected for three years.
The list of things which need doing includes many other tasks, but these are what the candidates feel need attention first.
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The last thing to consider before filling out our ballot is who do we not vote for?
Choyce is chair of the CMP advisory committee, supports the CMP and is in step with the CEO. She’s lived in the Village for less than a year. She didn’t respond to our survey to rank key issues, so I’m not sure what she wants to do if elected.
Kirk Denger is a nice guy, but he has some strange ideas. I think he is more in tune with Garrison, Omohundro, and Sherman than Choyce is, but it’s hard to tell.
I don’t think either will be an effective board member. Choyce doesn’t have enough Village experience and sees things through the prism of the CMP, which is a major liability. Denger is a fine fellow, but I’m not sure he sees the big picture.
Nevertheless, Kirk will get my fourth vote because I believe he’s likely to work more often with Garrison, Omohundro, Sherman and Diana Podawiltz. And building a new majority is the most important issue on the ballot.
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Some will criticize me for saying this is the most important board election the Village has ever had, but I believe it is. And that’s appropriate as we celebrate our 50th year.
Hot Springs Village is the greatest community of its kind in the nation. It doesn’t need to be transformed into something else. It needs to be maintained and promoted so it can achieve its potential. It’s time for smart action, time to get the Village back on track and time to end the division.
By Frank Leeming, Former HSVPOA Board Member, February 28, 2020
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Chuck & Melinda Alvord
02/28/2020 — 5:50 pm
LTD has to win. Whether the 4th new Board member should be Choyce or Denger is debatable and likely matters little but unnecessarily giving votes to a competing candidate seems a bad plan anyway you look at it. We would all feel pretty stupid If Choyce and Denger do better than expected and beat LTD with the votes LTD supporters gave them. Unlikely or not, the risk isn’t worth it.
It’s safest to vote for LTD only and to not cast your 4th vote. Anything else can only hurt LTD chances of winning. There is no reason to cast a 4th vote.
Read also https://hotspringsvillagepeople.com/when-no-choice-is-the-best-choice/
HSVP C
02/28/2020 — 5:58 pm
https://hotspringsvillagepeople.com/when-no-choice-is-the-best-choice/
Harold C
02/28/2020 — 6:03 pm
LTD will win by a landslide. Kirk will also win.
Make sure you cast ALL your votes in order to keep Nikki where she belongs – on the outside looking in!
ALSO – and VERY IMPORTANT. MAIL your ballots in the envelope provided.
DO NOT drop them off at the POA. IF you do – they will NOT BE COUNTED!
Nice ehhh?? Tricky too!
Lesley is counting on some Members to NOT FOLLOW the new RULES!
VOTE LTD & Kirk. The winning combo for the future of HSV!
Do it! Just do it!
HSVP C
02/28/2020 — 7:10 pm
Harold,
This is how Kirk Denger feels about CEO:
“Mark, you and most I know and meet want to stop payment on the CEO contract mainly because of the excessive expense among many other reasons. Lesly Nalley is a fairly good administrator who would be good as a consultant after resigning as CEO rather than being removed April 15th, 2020.” – Kirk Denger (posted at 11:33 p.m. on 2/27/20 on Hot Springs Village People website)
Kirk seems to feel the only thing wrong with the CEO situation is the high pay. So he would like to see her resign (may not happen) and then for us to turn around and rehire her as a consultant because she is a “fairly good administrator.”
CEO took us down the path of:
1. The expensive and failed CMP
2. The expensive and failed gate situation
3. Inadequate infrastructure maintenance
4. Increased bureaucracy overhead
5. Violated Judge Herzfeld’s court order by not allowing some Villagers to have information
6. Has spent time on social media during working hours
7. Shoves New Urbanism down our throats and wants to change the very fabric of our Village
8. Attends New Urbanism junkets with other staff on our dime
9. Seems to have talked the Board into signing an ironclad contract with pay higher than the governor makes and a ridiculous bonus based on nebulous goals. I would hope she talked them into this, it would be horrible to find out this was the Board’s idea
10. Restructuring our committees, and governing documents
11. And so on and so forth. Please feel free to add to the list
Does this track record sound like one of a “fairly good administrator” that we would want to hire as a consultant?
“Fairly good” is not good enough. Why should we settle for a “fairly good” consultant? Seems like HSV has already settled for long enough.
Folks, Kirk has already drunk the Kool-aid and is courting Nalley’s people and he hasn’t even been elected. I rest my case. Thank you.
This is where Kirk posted his comment:
https://hotspringsvillagepeople.com/hsvpoa-defying-court-ruling/
Kirk Denger
03/01/2020 — 7:06 pm
HSVP C
You must have missed the phrase: rather than be removed. When? April 15th 2020. None of LTD states removal especially in what time frame. One states that it is not possible! It is best practices to have the outgoing CEO/GM be available during the transition process.
Some people see only what they want to see and disregard the rest.
Andy Kramek
02/28/2020 — 6:57 pm
I hate to disagree with Frank, but on this topic I think he is wrong, and Chuck and Melinda are right. I have posted repeatedly (sorry, Cheryl, if I have over posted) on the Facebook page that the best strategy, if you support LTD, is not to cast a fourth vote. The logic is actually pretty simple; consider the following.
[1] Anyone who actively supports Nikki Choyce is not likely to vote for Lloyd, Tucker or Dick – because all are clearly opposed to the current direction of the village which she, as Chair of the CMPAC equally clearly supports. So if her supporters are to cast another vote, it will probably go to Kirk Denger – if only with the aim of spoiling the chances of all three of LTD winning seats.
[2] Anyone who supports LTD is not likely to vote for Nikki Choyce. She, as Chair of the CMPAC is obviously not going to actively challenge the current direction of the village and personifies what LTD are running against.
In other words, Nikki Choyce is not likely to gain any votes from LTD supporters anyway. Therefore her total is not going to be affected significantly if LTD supporters simply withhold their fourth vote. However, casting that fourth vote for Kirk Denger could have serious consequences.
The reason is that the seats in this election are not equal. Only two are for full 3-year terms. One (Dick Garrison’s original seat) is for 2 years and one (Buddy Dixon’s) is for one year. Obviously, supporters of LTD want the maximum possible influence on the board, so supporters of LTD need them to take the top 3 positions, leaving the 1-year seat to either Nikki Choyce or Kirk Denger.
If LTD supporters cast their fourth votes for Kirk Denger, realistically he becomes the only candidate to gather support from both camps, with the very real danger that he garners sufficient votes to take one of the 3-year seats. Whether Nikki Choyce attracts sufficient support to win one of the other seats directly is an open question. Either way, a vote for LTD and Kirk Denger opens up the possibility that only 2 out of 3 LTD get elected and that even if all three do get elected that one of them will get only a 1 year term.
HSVP C
02/28/2020 — 7:35 pm
Never have you overposted, Andy. Overposting in the FB group would be manic posting and I can only remember one occasion of this when a lady was very angry (not with us at first), but then she became angry with us and started cursing at us.
Minn Daly
02/28/2020 — 7:26 pm
Frank, thank you! Agree totally with all you have stated. Voteing LTD & k. Minn Daly
Kirk Denger
02/29/2020 — 12:26 am
minn, don’t need your come lately vote either.
Not Voting for Kirk! LTD only!
02/28/2020 — 8:16 pm
Frank is DEAD WRONG by advocating voting for Kirk.
😣 Voting for Kirk could possibly be detrimental to LTD in several ways.
Kirk is no doubt the CEO’s and Nikki’s choyce in an attempt to prevent one candidate from LTD being elected.
In addition, Kirk has reversed his position on the CEO. Here is what he said on this website today.
“Lesly Nalley is a fairly good administrator who would be good as a consultant after resigning as CEO rather than being removed April 15th, 2020.”
Read his reply here:
https://hotspringsvillagepeople.com/hsvpoa-defying-court-ruling/
– Kirk Denger (posted at 11:33 p.m. on 2/27/20 on Hot Springs Village People website)
Do we really need one more Turncoat reneging on his campaign promises before the ballots are even out?
Fed Up With Current Path
02/28/2020 — 9:46 pm
Several comments on here have outlined how LTD supporters could shoot themselves in the foot by voting for a 4th candidate. The logical path seems to be to vote for LTD and not voting for a 4th. One of the other two will be elected, but LTD needs longer-term seats. VOTE LTD ONLY
Karen Daigle Lundberg
02/28/2020 — 9:59 pm
I have reached out to Kirk on another article in the replies on this website to admit to what he said to me regarding the people of Hot Springs Village. In a phone conversation with Kirk, where we were discussing him reconsidering running, Kirk told me emphatically several times that the people of Hot Springs Village were trash, and that we were liars. If he is honest, he cannot deny this. And that is what Kirk Denger thinks about the people he is asking to support him. I challenge Kirk Denger to come out and admit that he did, in fact, say this to me.
Martha Dollar
02/28/2020 — 10:02 pm
I usually agree with Frank Leeming, and learn a lot from his reports. However, I hope he will rethink voting for Kirk. If all of those who vote for LTD also vote for Kirk, and if those who vote for Nikki Choyce also vote for Kirk, then Kirk will win one of the 3 year seats, knocking L, T, or D out of that position.
Kirk Denger
02/28/2020 — 11:41 pm
Anyone who is reading this thread and believes that HSVpeople.com is not a propaganda site, do not vote for Kirk Denger. Let’s see if this comment will be posted because I am a troll.
Kirk Denger
02/28/2020 — 11:58 pm
Furthermore, Frank, if you think I have strange ideas, please do not vote for me either, plus anyone who follows Lemming, who just so happened to hire Twiggs and voted YES for all Declaration changes. Let’s see if this comment is also censored from this site.
HSVP C
02/29/2020 — 7:34 am
Kirk, I kind of doubt if Frank Leeming will vote for you after seeing this. You need to develop a thicker skin if you are going to be on the Board. You will receive a lot of criticism on the Board, so it would be best to toughen up now.
Kirk Denger
03/03/2020 — 5:51 pm
Telling other people what they need to do is becoming natural for you.
Jerry Jay Carroll
03/01/2020 — 3:52 pm
Do you think it’s okay to have a front yard that looks like a junk yard because it’s your private property and you can do anything on it you like? Answer yes or no, please. If it is yes, you qualify as an anarchist nutter who cannot be trusted to represent anything but your own interests. Leslie Nalley would play you like Jascha Heifetz did his Strad.
Kirk Denger
03/06/2020 — 6:46 pm
Carroll, if you think a garden and children playing in it is a “junk yard”, then yes, and you are nuttier than Jascha Heifetz and his Strad.
Moe
02/29/2020 — 6:25 am
Per usual, a total mess. LTD only is the way to do. All other candidates are not good for HSV.
Phil Lemler
02/29/2020 — 7:31 am
I agree with Chuck, Melinda, Cheryl and Andy!
John Sowers
02/29/2020 — 8:16 am
Two comments. First Frank says our roads have been neglected for the last three years. That is not only wrong but he keeps repeating that lie. And he refuses to attend Public Services committee meetings where road maintenance plans are already in place and continually updated, and have been for several years.
Second, Frank wants to tear down our gates and become incorporated by some government entity; can you imagine 18 wheelers going through HSV 24/7, and anyone having access to all our amenities.
Moe
02/29/2020 — 10:54 am
Everyone and anyone already has access to our amenities.
Phil Lemler
02/29/2020 — 10:58 am
Mr. Sowers – I have had numerous conversations with Mr. Leeming and do not believe he is for “open gates” …. can you please provide the documentation to substantiate your claims?
I also believe Mr. Leeming was the one who found (brought attention to its non-use) the “crack sealing machine”? He knew of its existence so there is some credibility to his statements … even though he “refuses” to attend public service committee meetings?
What do you think … Mr. Sowers?
John Sowers
02/29/2020 — 9:30 pm
Mr. Leemler.
Let Frank Leeming deny that he doesn’t want HSV incorporated by some government entity, and that means the gates come down. Look at what happened to Bella Vista.
And the main reason the crack sealing machine wasn’t being used was a lack of available and trained operators.
And why did Mr. Leeming say our roads are a ticking time bomb; that is another ridiculous untruth.
And why did he say that our roads have been neglected for three years, another untruth.
And why don’t you and Frank Leeming come to our Public Services meetings after having been invited many times? And we will be glad to talk crack sealing machines, road work, water leaks, timber sales, or any other public services issue.
To paraphrase you, deeds trump words.
HSVP C
02/29/2020 — 9:39 pm
John, not everyone can come to all the meetings. Meetings are not mandatory. If someone wants to talk about the public results of the meetings, that is fair game. Thank you.
John Sowers
03/01/2020 — 7:17 am
I assume that HSVP C is Cheryl Bowden.
So what specifically are examples of “public results of the meeting” that you are referring to. And why not let Phil Leemler respond.
An aside, Phil will always be remembered as the anti CMP guy. He didn’t participate in helping develop it, then praised it profusely, then stood up in public and condemned it with a bunch of emotional and ridiculous reasons. And he now lives out west.
Another aside. So Mr. Denger remembers that Frank Leeming agreed and voted to hire Mr. Twiggs. And do I sense a spat between Mr. Denger and LTD and Frank Leeming? Thanks
HSVP C
03/01/2020 — 8:43 am
Dear John,
For once your assumption about me is correct. HSVP C is indeed Cheryl Dowden.
I talked about the results of the meetings meaning “what was discussed and what were the recommendations, etc. and so forth. None of this is private information to be guarded.
Phil Lemler has every right to respond. Why would you think I was not allowing him to respond? This is a public website and anyone can respond to you. Maybe you should start putting a little note on your messages that only “so and so” can respond if that is what you want. But I seriously doubt if anyone will pay any attention to your “notes”.
You can have any memories of Phil that you chose. Other people may remember other things about Phil.
There is no spat between LTD and anyone that I am aware of.
I don’t know all who Kirk has a “spat” with.
I sense a “spat” with you and some others. Thanks. – Cheryl Dowden
Phil Lemler
03/01/2020 — 9:06 am
Mr. Sours – it appears you have adopted the general position of the POA management and the existing board. Misrepresent facts, make up claims and blindly “trust” that the CEO is managing HSV appropriately.
Fact #1 – I have never said “deeds trump words”.
Fact #2 – never have I been invited to the public services meetings. Doesn’t matter …. public services is not the problem. However, I was invited to lead the “marketing subcommittee” but I knew it would be ineffective and eventually die a slow death due to a lack of POA management cooperation (apparently Mr. Keck figured this out)… and .. low and behold … it has died a slow death … due to an uncooperative POA!
I have offered to work with the board in designing and implementing a realistic marketing plan for the Village …. but no takers! Crickets!!!!!
Fact #3 – I never “praised” the CMP … I only said it was impressive and detailed because I thought the POA staff had developed the plan …. did not know HSV spent $500,000 for it.
Fact #4 – I did not help develop the CMP because I was in an 8 month chemo program fighting cancer during its (CMP) development and the charrettes.
Mr. Sours – you continually opine that my condemnation of the CMP is based on “emotional and ridiculous reasons”. Yet, I offered to debate the CMP (in front of all Villagers). I offered a debate versus Nalley, Weiss, DPZ and whomever …. not a single taker.
You have not seen my email exchanges with the board members (nor my notes) in meetings with Nalley, Weiss, Erickson and others … I have some interesting secrets to tell! You are only hearing one side.
You seem to be angry clinging to a blind trust in the POA management because you do not have the background and experience to know any better.
I praise the workers in the public services department as well as all POA personnel. What the POA public services department is doing … or not doing .. is NOT the problem. It is the POA board and an inexperienced CEO/management team that refuses to see the fallacies of the CMP … that is the problem.
And, this is all supported by those such as yourself that simply trust the CEO …. all because you just don’t know any better!
I have observed your comments … over time from my “far west” location. You have a difficult time making a rational argument that supports your opinions. And, since you have no logic to support your premises … you dole out personal attacks and always come back to the “attend a public services” meeting rhetoric. Makes no sense …. but I can see why you blindly follow the CEO … you just don’t know any better!
My suggestion Mr. Sours is you really should read and study the CMP!
Karen Daigle Lundberg
02/29/2020 — 9:00 am
Kirk Denger, are you even aware that you are insulting people who are saying they are voting for you? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU????
All of those gunshots being heard in the Village are Kirk shooting himself in the foot.
Kirk Denger
03/04/2020 — 7:16 pm
There’s an old saying, With friends like that, who needs …
Melinda Alvord
02/29/2020 — 12:06 pm
Maybe Kirk is sabotaging his own campaign deliberately. He has said he really doesn’t want to be on the board so maybe now he’s afraid he might actually get elected.
Lorri Street
02/29/2020 — 2:43 pm
A couple of months ago Kirk Denger informed me in very aggressive manner that “I” was to blame for all the recent trouble in the Village. At the time I didn’t think much of it…but now it smacks like a comment from the current POA regime. Maybe he has already drank their koolaid?! LTD gets my three votes!
Patrick T. McCarthy
03/01/2020 — 3:20 am
Lorri – when I see your name I am reminded of the job you and your group did to back up the Board and POA on the Declaration vote. Villagers, with your help, gave them a resounding defeat and you got this ball rolling. We truly owe you a debt of thanks.
Kirk Denger
03/04/2020 — 7:13 pm
I have witnesses who know what you are saying is total fabrication. What is it with bossy personalities when you do not get your way?
Kirk Denger
03/01/2020 — 4:20 pm
It is not like you to post hearsay Melinda, since I have not talked with you.
Melinda Alvord
03/01/2020 — 7:33 pm
Kirk, you are right, I was wrong to publish a hearsay comment. How about I just add Chuck’s name as co-author of my comment; that should take care of it for you. I’m still trying to understand what you hope to gain by running for the board in the first place. I know you have a platform, but you public comments confuse me.
Kirk Denger
03/03/2020 — 8:52 pm
Chuck hiding behind your apron strings? Is he upset that he could not fix the election?
Melinda Alvord
03/03/2020 — 9:18 pm
Kirk, Kirk, Kirk, afraid there are no apron strings in our household, I don’t cook. Chuck questioned why you were running, as many others have also done. You made it clear that you had no intention of dropping out. End of conversation.
Stephen Rust
02/29/2020 — 4:30 pm
How about if some rational person explains how casting a fourth vote hurts LTD chances. There are 4 positions open. There will be a 4th candidate elected. Nikki Choyce will get all votes of those that support the CMP and the CEO. Not voting for a 4th candidate assures that Nikki (a CMP supporter) will eh elected. When you only cast your 3 votes and we have a another CMP supporter on the board, don’t start complaining because those of you that refuse to vote for a 4th are yourselves putting Nikki on the board. I personally have never heard Kirk, anytime I have talked to him, comment that we should keep our CEO as a consultant. As a matter of fact, in a very recent conversation with Kirk, he spoke of getting rid of our CEO.
I wonder if Frank Lemming would reply to Kirk’s comment that he (Frank) was a part of hiring Twiggs and that he voted for all the ammendments.
HSVP C
02/29/2020 — 5:55 pm
Steve,
First I will address the issue about you never having heard Kirk advocating for LN to be a consultant. Just because you didn’t hear it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
This is what Kirk said:
“Mark, you and most I know and meet want to stop payment on the CEO contract mainly because of the excessive expense among many other reasons. Lesly Nalley is a fairly good administrator who would be good as a consultant after resigning as CEO rather than being removed April 15th, 2020.” – Kirk Denger (posted at 11:33 p.m. on 2/27/20 on Hot Springs Village People website)
Kirk seems to feel the only thing wrong with the CEO situation is the high pay. So he would like to see her resign (may not happen) and then for us to turn around and rehire her as a consultant because she is a “fairly good administrator.”
“Fairly good” is not good enough. Why should we settle for a “fairly good” consultant? Seems like HSV has already settled for long enough.
Steve, Kirk has already drunk the Kool-aid and is courting the CEO’s people and he hasn’t even been elected. I rest my case. Thank you.
This is where Kirk posted his comment:
https://hotspringsvillagepeople.com/hsvpoa-defying-court-ruling/
Secondly, I would like to address the logic behind voting for only three. The reason for this strategy is the different term lengths. If all term lengths were equal, what you are saying would make sense.
Normally a board election would be a no brainer: four seats with equal, 3-year terms. Pick your candidates and mark your ballot. Simple.
This upcoming election is somewhat unique because the two highest vote-getters will win 3-year terms, the next vote-getter will be seated for two years, and the 4th place will take the final seat which will fill the remaining one year term vacated by the recent resignation of Buddy Dixon. And one candidate will go home empty-handed.
These dynamics can make a lot of difference in what can be accomplished – one winner is already a lame-duck before their first board meeting (remember Ralph Turpin?).
With all that said, what I am comfortable and proud to say is that we will be voting 3 votes for Lloyd, Tucker, and Dick…..three candidates, three votes.
Thanks, Steve. I hope that was rational enough for you.
Kirk Denger
03/01/2020 — 4:38 pm
HSVP C
02/29/2020 — 5:55 pm, You must have missed the phrase: rather than be removed. When? April 15th 2020. None of LTD states removal especially in what time frame. One states that it is not possible! It is best practices to have the outgoing CEO/GM be available during the transition process. Hot Springs Village Property Owner Voters will decide the election.
Patrick T. McCarthy
03/01/2020 — 3:52 am
Who knew what Twiggs would come to be and represent. Frank always stood up for the Village along with Jeff Atkins. When the Board got going with the 2 tier fee deal there were 3 people who stood solidly against them – Frank and Jeff on the Board and Gene Garner et al with the lawsuit. That was the start of the lack of trust and it amplified with successive Boards to CEO vs General Manager, corporation vs community, secrecy and Governance Committee vs transparency, etc.
Lots of suggestions came to the Board regarding the 2 tier system but NONE were taken. That started this ball rolling. (If the Board had been able to match the increase in the fee to say 2 votes for an owner with a lot and house it might have been more palatable. They could not at that time and the successive Boards went further off track and got us to the mess we have today. And a heavy footed CEO who I thought would walk softer did not help the situation.)
So back to Frank. He has always stood for the owners of the Village along with others and, while not being able to push back against the tide of the recent Boards and POA, he will always be a champion in my book.
Kirk Denger
03/01/2020 — 7:18 pm
Pat, maybe people who pay higher taxes should have “say 2 votes.” Maybe you should legislate this concept to the senate. Makes me wonder about your thinking on the rest of your comment.
Only Vote Three
03/01/2020 — 10:43 am
Mr Rust, It has a lot to do with one’s priorities. Does one want LTD to be the top three vote-getters and therefore be on the BOD the longest (have more time to institute change)? Of course. Whoever is the #4 vote-getter, if they do not generally agree with LTD and Diana Podawiltz, who also generally agrees with most of LTD’s position, will be in the minority and loose any vote supported by those four. So, it really does not make much of a difference whether Choyce or Denger is the 4th vote receiver in numbers. If LTD/Diana remain solid in their ideas, thinking and direction, Tormey, Nancy and Kirk or Niki will be defeated on any vote.
Voting for a 4th candidate, other than LTD, just increases the possibility that one of the other two can sneak in and win a top three spot in vote tally. That will not be fatal, but will dilute the long term strength of Diana/LTD.
Remember, the fourth opening is just a one year position on the BOD and you don’t have to vote for four. So, vote ONLY for Lloyd, Tucker, and Dick!
Stephen Rust
03/01/2020 — 2:14 pm
Sorry but I don’t agree with your reasoning. Just an interesting fact: last year someone in our group also FALSELY accused me of being a LN supporter, as Kirk is being accused. Someone in the same group joined my FB page to make one comment to try to twist my words. Also some in the same group publically stated, FALSELY, that I said I wasn’t qualified to be on the board. All of these were done by 3 For HSV supporters to try to assure they got the three elected last year. Didn’t work last year, might not work this year.
Cheryl Dowden
03/01/2020 — 2:37 pm
Stephen, thank you for your comment. You often make vague accusations which you can’t prove and also do not say who the person is who wronged you. I am not accusing you of lying, but I am not sure you perceived everything in the way that it was intended. This is not meant to discredit you but is being said only because sometimes on social media it can be difficult to understand where someone else is coming from.
I do not understand how anyone could think you are a CEO supporter.
What Kirk has stated about the CEO is in his own words on this website. He said, and this is not verbatim, but he does not want to fire the CEO in April but wants her to quit and then we can hire her as a consultant because she is a fairly good administrator. So yes, Kirk’s post showed some support for the CEO and it also showed he is trying to woo the CEO’s people.
I don’t know who joined your group to make one comment and twist your words. Maybe they didn’t understand your words. Maybe they had bad intentions. Maybe someone was confused. I know you are not referring to myself because I have posted numerous times on your Facebook page.
Please, if you have accusations against an individual, state those exact accusations with proof and the name of the person who wronged you. But if you don’t have proof, I caution you about posting these incidents. Otherwise, your accusations don’t mean very much and sound too much like gossip.
What happened last year is in the past. I know we are all mature adults and believe we can move on from this.
And lastly, stop painting HSV People with one broad brushstroke. Just because one person in the group did something, doesn’t mean that others agree. Also, please don’t blame me for what others say or do. I don’t do that to you about your group and what is fair is fair.
Again, for the second time today, I would like to offer you an olive branch.
Thank you, Stephen and your lovely wife, Suzan, for all your hard work. – Cheryl
Stephen Rust
03/01/2020 — 3:34 pm
I have proof. What was done was deliberate and no misunderstanding. I could name the people but chose to not do that. I’m not fighting them I’m trying to show how the same thing that is being tried against Kirk failed last year. Believe me or not, matters not to me. Naming people would not convince anyone that what I’m saying is right. I’ve given my opinion and insight. Now we wait for the election to see what happens.