On February 3, 2021, the Hot Springs Village Property Owners’ Association Board of Directors was presented with a memo discussing the transition to side-load sanitation trucks. At a regular Board Meeting, on February 17, 2021, the Board voted to adopt the new side-load sanitation system. On March 3, 2021, Controller and Board Treasurer, Coreena Fetterhoff, provided the Board with an update on the progress with the sanitation transition and “reinforce the need which became more apparent during the recent snowstorm.”
As there are still many questions regarding the Board and Staff’s decision to transition to the side-load sanitation system. We decided it might be helpful to publish the following three documents.
HSVPOA Board Memo Discussion of Transition to Side Load Sanitation Trucks 2-3-21
BRD-MEMO-DISCUSSION-TRANSITION-TO-SIDE-LOADING-TRASH-TRUCKS-2HSVPOA Board Memo Board Memo Conversion to Side Load Sanitation Trucks 2-17-21
14Conversion-to-side-load-sanitation-Trucks-V3HSVPOA Discussion Memo New Sanitation System Update 3-3-21
discussion-memo-sanitation-transition-updateClick here to read “Tucker Talks Sanitation Truck Vote – Hot Springs Village.”
Thank you to Director of Public Services, Jason Temple; Fleet Manager, Dallas Fetterhoff; and Board Vice-chair, Tucker Omohundro for providing this information.
By Cheryl and Joe Dowden, January 28, 2022
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Tom Blakeman
01/28/2022 — 1:32 pm
Putting aside the basic question of whether or not these fancy “side load” trucks are suitable for the area, population, or anything else, it still appears that this deal for the trucks is some sort of lease arrangement or short term financing with a balloon after 3 years (25 months actually). Unless I’m missing something here that means that in less than 3 years time we will either be doing this all over again or needing to raid the reserves to pay these things off or will be refinancing (re-leasing) at some much higher market rate to be determined at that time. Given that we now are in an inflationary cycle not seen in over 40 years and the Federal Reserve is in process of ratcheting up interest rates I still do not see the logic in this move. None of these memos actually show any return on investment calculation or anything of substance to validate the move.
Tim Burke
01/28/2022 — 5:16 pm
How do you have a return on investment on a service to the population? Are you suggesting that the POA should attempt to make money off of garbage collection?
Oh, and btw, thanks for turning me into the board because you didn’t like my earlier comments on Facebook. Next time, grow a set and talk to me. I’m sure you will do the same here
PS, I’m not at work.
HSVP C
01/28/2022 — 5:27 pm
Tim, as far as I know, the POA DOES make money off of the garbage collection service. The THA has a private sanitation service and the POA has considered taking that back because it is lost revenue.
Tim Burke
01/28/2022 — 5:32 pm
Cheryl, I was being sarcastic to Tom. As a non profit, if the POA makes a couple bucks to offset other operations, I have no problem with that. He brings up an inflationary cycle that was not present a year ago when this deal was done. If we all had that insight to inflation, we would be all living in Augusta.
Tom Blakeman
01/28/2022 — 6:08 pm
Tim, The inflationary cycle started well over a year ago when the Dems fixed the election and promised to raise taxes and give away more money with no accountability, just like your POA.
Tim Burke
01/28/2022 — 6:19 pm
As I can’t respond to Tom, I’ll have to talk here. Sir, my POA is your POA. Thanks again for your support. You do it well.
PS… I’m still at home.
Lorri Street
01/28/2022 — 5:24 pm
Something I’ve noticed since new cans have been delivered–many are now sitting outside of garages instead of inside as our covenants dictate. Will this be an additional task for our compliance department to police?
Tom Blakeman
01/28/2022 — 6:10 pm
Yes Lorri, they will likely have to hire a few more enforcers and lease a couple more vehicles to take care of the “resistance”. Unintended consequences.
Tim Burke
01/28/2022 — 6:22 pm
So did they go around enforcing this prior to the new cans? Maybe you can apply for the job and finally do something constructive.
PSS…I’m not at work.
David Wilson
01/28/2022 — 7:01 pm
WELCOME TO WEST COAST VILLAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our NEW trash/yard waste program is INFASTRUCTURE, BABY.
INFASTRUCTURE.
Melanie Clark
01/28/2022 — 11:41 pm
I wonder why that is.
HSVP C
01/29/2022 — 1:06 am
Melanie, I am not sure what you mean. Thanks.
Melanie Clark
01/29/2022 — 4:00 am
I’m very sorry. I attempted to reply to Lorri, but my reply didn’t go where I wanted it. And now, I am unable to reply to you. Lorri said “Something I’ve noticed since new cans have been delivered–many are now sitting outside of garages instead of inside as our covenants dictate. Will this be an additional task for our compliance department to police?”
So, why are folks not putting their trash cans where they should be? Are the new cans much larger than the old and thus, don’t fit in their usual space? Are the old cans still there? Just speculating. Normally compliant people don’t just suddenly rebel without a good reason.
Edit: That’s very strange. I began my reply with “@Cheryl Dowden” and it popped up under your comment. That must be the trick to replying to replies.
HSVP C
01/29/2022 — 8:39 am
Melanie, some people are away and in these cases, neighbors will need to move the cans closer to the house. Some people have not made room for the new carts and some people have carports with cart corrals and the cans are higher than the old cans and the tops of the cans are visible from the road.
Melanie Clark
01/29/2022 — 4:39 am
@ Cheryl, my answer to your question has been deleted. I don’t know what I said wrong.
HSVP C
01/29/2022 — 8:37 am
Your answer was not deleted. You did not say anything wrong. All comments on this website have to be approved by the admins before they are posted. Thank you.
Jerry Bach
01/29/2022 — 8:56 am
How do I get rid of the 96 gal. can that was delivered and get a 64 gal. can that was requested via the POA letter?
Thank you.
HSVP C
01/29/2022 — 9:18 am
Jerry, good question. Thanks for commenting.
“More Villagers than expected requested the smaller 64-gallon cart instead of the larger 96-gallon cart. Our initial shipment of carts does not have enough smaller carts to fulfill everyone’s request, so some residents who ordered a smaller cart will receive a larger one until more small carts become available.”
“The larger cart is only 10 pounds heavier and 2 inches wider than the smaller cart. As our carts are on wheels, the larger cart is only slightly more difficult to maneuver. You might decide you want to keep the larger cart. Just call Sanitation at 501-922-5524 and let us know if you want to keep the bigger cart.”
Norm Hansen
01/29/2022 — 10:22 am
https://hotspringsvillagepeople.com/hsv-temple-gives-sanitation-service-update/
Read this and it should answer all your questions about the can sizes.
Gene Garner
01/29/2022 — 9:58 am
I requested the 64 gallon cart but received the 96 gallon instead. To store the larger cart I had to reorganize my garage and move some items around. As a result it will be less trouble to call Sanitation and accept the 96 gallon cart rather than reverse my reorganization.—Gene
Jane Matheny
01/29/2022 — 10:18 am
Does anyone know if we can use our old garbage cans to put yard waste in and just put a POA yard waste sticker across the can (for them to pull off) instead of having to buy the biodegradable bags? I’ve called the sanitation dept. at the POA, but no one has called me back.
HSVP C
01/29/2022 — 10:25 am
Hello Jane, great question. The short answer is no. This is what the POA has said, “Yard Waste Pickups Beginning February 28, 2022, all yard waste such as leaves and grass clippings must be placed in
biodegradable paper bags, which can be purchased at Lowe’s, The Home Depot, or from Amazon and other online and retail sellers. Each bag must have a sticker that can be purchased from the POA
at our Administrative Building at 895 DeSoto Blvd. between 8:00 AM-4:30 PM, Monday-Friday. Stickers are sold in lots of 5 for $5.”
“Yard waste pickups are made on Fridays. To schedule a pickup, complete the form at explorethevillage.com/services/sanitation-recycling or call the Sanitation Department at 501-922-
5524 between 8:00 AM-4:30 PM, Monday-Friday.”
Jane Matheny
01/30/2022 — 5:01 pm
Yes, I am aware of what the POA posted, but currently, we have been allowed to use the cans, so I was wondering if it was still going to be an option, since it wouldn’t involve anything non-recyclable.
Melinda Alvord
01/31/2022 — 10:15 am
I think the issue is that the new method of picking up the yard waste bags does not provide for someone to pick up a can and dump it’s contents into the truck. My understanding is that the yard waste pick up will consist of only a driver using a mechanical arm to pick up the biodegradable bag. At least that’s how I understand it.
Jane Matheny
01/31/2022 — 1:28 pm
FYI: According to Janice at the POA: Starting February 28, 2022 all yard waste must be in a paper bag with the yellow POA tag on each bag. Cans or loose yard waste will not be picked up.
HSVP C
01/31/2022 — 6:34 pm
Thank you.
Linda Anderson
01/30/2022 — 11:43 am
Tom Blakeman, you are correct. As I remember these were lease contracts that would end in 3 years. With interest rates going up along with the possibility of deflation, that might prove to be a financial problem. What I never understood was no one asked important questions like : What was the normal life when maintained? Or why not negotiate a maintenance contract for expected life versus a lease? I know this is water under the bridge, but these are normally reasonable business questions. Good questions generally lead to better decisions. Learning points for future Board members.
Sue Posner
01/31/2022 — 11:43 pm
I did but board ignored that suggestion. Oh and wait till your side loader picks up your can, mine was today saw side loader coming in end road while I was leaving. I followed the placement 3 ft in from pavement 4 foot clearance around. When I returned later saw they left several our cans out in the street, the arm doesn’t place them back where you positioned them, so driver moving truck with arm out. Guess we don’t have drivers that have figured out how to use them yet. Driver should never move that truck with arm still out. IT IS- Stop then arm out to pick up can, dump in truck, then arm sets can back down, then arm goes back in till next stop. NO DRIVING IT WITH ARM EXTENDED! Good luck retrieving your cans from out in the road after they leave.
Jerry Bach
01/30/2022 — 2:07 pm
On Friday, I called the POA about me getting a 96 gal. can instead of the requested 64 gal. can. Tina explained to me that the 64 gal. cans would be here in a couple of weeks and the POA would drop one off at my house and take the 96 gal. can with them.
Is the above true? (I am not doubting Tina. She was very polite and helpful on the phone.)
Thank you.
HSVP C
01/30/2022 — 2:28 pm
Public Service Director, Jason Temple, has said that the people that got the wrong size cans would receive the correct size when the shipment of new cans arrive. I don’t know when the new shipment is due to arrive, so I cannot speak to that, but Tina probably gave you the correct information as far as when the new cans should arrive. Thanks.
Jeff Cox
01/31/2022 — 8:05 am
Why can we only have 1 trash can….what about the families with kids …we generate more trash in a week that the older people with just 2 living at a residence. What are we supposed to do with our other trash that won’t fit into 1 can? We are used to 2 or sometimes 3 trash cans. What about Christmas when we have way more trash than normal??
HSVP C
01/31/2022 — 8:14 am
Jeff, for an extra fee of $9.00 a month, you can request a second cart. The carts are very large. Would it be possible to fit all of your trash into two of them?
Jeff Cox
01/31/2022 — 8:22 am
My family always has 3 typically…I don’t wish to pay an extra $9 per month. My kids and wife throw their fast food trash into the trash cans and their coke cans and water bottles cleaning out their vehicles and the trash crew won’t use their trash can flipper to dump them…to lazy I guess. To me that’s easier than picking individual trash sacks out of em making a few trips back and forth. But any way now with the new trucks you get less trash picked up at a higher rate than before….guess I’ll have to pay for pick up and haul off my trash….
Elizabeth H Berry
01/31/2022 — 10:32 am
Today is the first day using the new trucks for trash pickup. Imagine my surprise when at 9:25 I look out and what do I see? The old truck, with one guy on the back, taking trash out of the cart. Great planning. I guess the best laid plans, etc, etc, etc.
Elizabeth H Berry
01/31/2022 — 10:41 am
Today is the first day using the new trucks for trash pickup. Imagine my surprise when at 9:25 I look out and what do I see? The old truck, with one guy on the back, taking trash out of the cart. When will we see the new trucks that we so urgently needed? Great plans, again!
Steven Mason
02/01/2022 — 8:25 am
How about large cardboard boxes? I guess just cut them up, stuff in a plastic contractor bag, tie up and throw in the rolling trash chariot.