The following email was sent to the Board of Directors re: HSV POA needs a non-board Parliamentarian.
Dear HSV POA Board of Directors,
We presently have a situation where some of our Board meetings are becoming a bit chaotic and we have a Board Director acting in the position of Parliamentarian. There is some question as to whether this Director has the experience and qualifications to fill this role, as correct Parliamentary procedure is not being followed.
Opertec dot com defines the role of a Parliamentarian as follows:
“A Parliamentarian is an expert in rules of order and the proper procedures for the conduct of meetings of deliberative assemblies. Parliamentarians assist organizations in the drafting and interpretation of bylaws and rules of order, and the planning and conduct of meetings.”
The Board Directors have their hands full, trying to direct the many varied and complicated aspects of the community and really don’t need to take on this additional role and police themselves. They have shown that they are either not trained or not willing to follow proper protocol.
According to ParliPro dot com, a firm providing professional parliamentary services, “A member of an assembly who acts as its parliamentarian has the same duty as the presiding officer to maintain a position of impartiality, and therefore does not make motions, participate in debate, or vote on any question except in the case of a ballot vote. He does not cast a deciding vote, even if his vote would affect the result, since that would interfere with the chair’s prerogative of doing so. If a member feels that he cannot properly forgo these rights in order to serve as parliamentarian, he should not accept that position. Unlike the presiding officer, the parliamentarian cannot temporarily relinquish his position in order to exercise such rights on a particular motion.”
According to ParliPro, Ms. Luehring should be impartial, not make motions, participate in debate or vote on any question, except a ballot vote.
Due to the impactful content of our POA Board meetings and the fact that a Parliamentarian should not participate in the meetings in the same manner as a Director, we would like to suggest the appointment of a Parliamentarian who is not a sitting Board Member.
Furthermore, we would like to suggest the appointment of Marcy Mermel to the role of HSV POA Parliamentarian. We desperately need a fair, unbiased, experienced, dedicated and competent non-board member to fulfill this role and we believe Mermel is the right individual.
We approached Marcy Mermel and asked her if she would consider serving as the Parliamentarian for the HSV POA Board of Directors if she were asked by the Board to serve. We approached her because we were aware she had considerable experience. She said she would be willing to perform this role.
Upon our request, Marcy Mermel has provided her Parliamentarian resume which clearly shows she has more than adequate experience to do the job. (Please see Mermel’s Parliamentarian resume below.)
We understand it is not our decision, but hope that you will consider your fiduciary responsibility and appoint Mermel to the role of Parliamentarian.
Thank you in advance for your consideration of this suggestion and we look forward to hearing back from you soon.
Respectfully submitted,
Cheryl Dowden, May 9, 2019
Parliamentarian-experiance-5.8.19Edited May 10, 2019 to add Chairwoman Erickson’s response to this email. (Permission was requested and then granted to make this response public.)
Hi, Cheryl,
We have sought guidance from our attorney on this matter, and as a board we will consider any changes to our practices and governing documents in accordance with that advice.
Having said that, I don’t believe “board meetings (plural) have become chaotic”. If you’re citing the special meeting on April 17, Nancy as our parliamentarian will be addressing that topic in her board member comments on May 15.
Cindi
Kathy Henderson
05/09/2019 — 5:12 pm
Great idea! Marcy is more than qualified! Kathy Henderson
Tom Blakeman
05/09/2019 — 6:20 pm
Marcy would be a good fit. I also recommend Brian Darst.
The problem is that only the board can make this happen and they will not have a chance until we get at least one more board member who would support such a change. I believe the three new board members do support such a move. The four holdovers most likely do not.
Your analysis is correct that we need an independent villager in that role, i.e., not a board member or staff member.
Anonymous
05/09/2019 — 7:55 pm
I agree with the need of a parliamentarian. Interested if the board will take advice or ignore villagers.
HSVP C
05/10/2019 — 2:25 am
Board member Luehring is not a certified parliamentarian, either. We in no way said Marcy was certified. We would not incorrectly suggest such, but merely have correctly stated that Marcy is obviously more than qualified. We have even shown Marcy’s resume, which clearly shows her experience. Marcy’s parliamentarian experience is far superior to that of the current HSV Board member parliamentarian. Here are the facts:
1. Marcy is not nor has ever claimed to be a certified parliamentarian, to the best of our knowledge.
2. She acted as parliamentarian de facto as President of very large boards. She had to be apprised of RR because she ran the meetings.
That is what one does in the absence of a certified parliamentarian or attorney.
And while President, it is customary to abstain from comment and voting unless absolutely necessary anyway.
Anonymous
05/09/2019 — 8:17 pm
Small boards operate under different rules:
https://jurassicparliament.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/JP-Small-Board-Rules.pdf
In addition, Ms Mermel is NOT a certified parliamentarian.
Kirk Denger
05/18/2019 — 9:43 pm
Nancy is not certified, bylaws art. XIV Roberts Rules govern in all cases. Jurassic does not apply until you change the bylaws.
Andy Kramek
05/09/2019 — 8:59 pm
Agree completely. This needs to be put in place as soon as possible and Marcy seems a suitable candidate.
Anonymous
05/10/2019 — 9:22 am
With all due respect to Marcy, she has good intentions and on occasion had mentioned Parliamentary Procedure, however, on no occasion has she stood to ask the POA for correct procedure. At the last POA meeting that ended in a shambles over this issue, Marcy was checking the Roberts Rules of Order Book for an explanation of what had just happened.
There is only one person who has a passion and understanding of Parliamentary Procedure and that is Brian Darst. Brian takes a tough stand for concise and correct use of the rules which is desperately needed. The POA should use the rules correctly for legal purposes. The membership should have the best to represent them. Brian Darst is the best choice.
Anonymous
05/10/2019 — 3:49 pm
I agree we need an independent Parliamentarian but you know the CEO will not permit it, heaven forbid she loses control. It’s going to be a rough go of it to institute this change but it absolutely needs to be done. I’d agree to pay for a professional to do this job. Anyone else?
HSVP C
05/10/2019 — 6:24 pm
This article was edited May 10, 2019 to add Chairwoman Erickson’s response to this email. (Permission was requested and then granted to make this response public.)
Hi, Cheryl,
We have sought guidance from our attorney on this matter, and as a board we will consider any changes to our practices and governing documents in accordance with that advice.
Having said that, I don’t believe “board meetings (plural) have become chaotic”. If you’re citing the special meeting on April 17, Nancy as our parliamentarian will be addressing that topic in her board member comments on May 15.
Cindi
Steve Rust
05/10/2019 — 7:27 pm
Cindi Erickson, you stated you sought guidance from the attorney, but you didn’t give us what the attorney’s answer was. Is there any legal reason you can’t implement what is suggested?
anonymous
05/16/2019 — 6:59 am
Please read https://jurassicparliament.com/guidelines-public-comment/
Brian Darst is passionate about the subject, but he is mistaken about the public comment part of the Board meeting.
Kirk Denger
05/18/2019 — 9:25 pm
This is not a public meeting, we are a private association governed by an elected board of directors. Jurassicparliament does not apply, experiment over.
Anonymous
05/23/2019 — 9:46 am
Yes, we are a private association. But it is a local government meeting to which Jurassic parliament applies. The document above references “public comment” but does not say it is a public meeting.
Kirk Denger
05/17/2019 — 10:31 pm
Marcy and Brian together could concur on the instant replay challenges after becoming certified professional parliamentarians. It is always best to have more than one umpire. It could save us money to pay for their testing expenses rather than hiring a professional. As it is, the CEO is calling all the shots, watch how the chair concurs with the CEO before making any decisions that might not be in accordance with the Congress of New Urbanism objectives. Small boards operate under the same rules 99% of the time with a very few exceptions.