The following are commentaries from three HSV Property Owners on the just-completed 2019 HSV Board Orientation:
Commentary from Tom Blakeman re: 2019 Board Orientation
Dear HSV Board and Administration:
First, thank you to the Board and Administration for making the Board Orientation open to the Members. These types of actions aid in transparency. I enjoyed the day one session but did not return for day two. A few topics of day one stood out as follows.
Clarification needed
It was not clear how the credentials of the principal presenter qualified her as an expert on non-profit boards or organizations. A PhD in Philosophy and experience in the medical field (retired only in 2013) were stated but beyond that it was not obvious what her qualifications might be nor were they explicitly stated. Perhaps this information was in one of the handouts not given to the audience.
No specific HOA/POA organizations referenced
It also seemed strange that the only two main organization examples referred to frequently by both presenters were Baptist Health in Little Rock and a 2nd or 3rd tier university. Granted that HSVPOA is a unique animal, but there were no specific HOA/POA organizations referenced. This seemed lacking. There were some references to one presenter’s law firm and City of North Little Rock.
Membership expects more of a representative model
Types of “governing boards” and voting/representation described were very interesting: Referendum; Proxy; Delegate; Representative; Fiduciary. However, it felt like a real stretch in the definition and explanation of Fiduciary and it’s
Push for 1993 Articles of Incorporation vs 1963?
Considerable commentary by both presenters revolved around our POA Articles of Incorporation with an obvious opinion that we would be better off had we voted to follow the Arkansas 1993 Non-profit law. One might wonder if this was deliberate in order to set the stage for POA to make another run at such a vote. Since we obviously voted otherwise just last year, the time spent on this topic seemed way overdone.
Finance Committee recommended
Frequent reference and recommendation
“Representative” type model with expanded Board should be considered
Another topic that got frequent mention was the small size of our seven (7) member board. The impression given was that this is a serious deficit. However, the presenters stopped well short of recommending that board size be increased. They also did not venture into the area of our Village changing to a “Representative” type model with a larger board complement. Perhaps, this is an area the 2019 Board should consider although a Member vote would be required.
Fresh perspective needed
Finally, given that the presenters apparently also gave the 2018 Board Orientation, and that the attorney presenter’s law firm was involved with the failed 2018 Declarations and Articles of Incorporation Vote, it would seem appropriate that going forward the POA and Board should consider changing both consultants and law firms. If nothing else that would bring a fresh perspective to bear on how our Board and POA might want to operate.
Tom Blakeman, Hot Springs Village Property Owner 03/28/2019
Commentary from Robert Busse re: 2019 Board Orientation
Tom,
I totally agree with and support your effort and the message contained. I feel that someone, Nalley, Weiss, Weidert, ???, has decided that the only correct structure applicable to the HSV Board is that of a Business Corporation (with non-profit alterations for certain laws and tax requirements).
Ongoing process to turn governance into corporate structure
No mention of a more representative form like Municipal management or other known acceptable forms of governance. This form of governing was decided on a couple of years ago, and the ensuing Boards have taken it upon themselves to structure all of our governing documents to fit that style. One or both “expert presenters” have been the same since the beginning of this effort.
At onset no notification given to members
At the onset, there was no notification of members that this action was contemplated/going to take place or even if they felt/wanted a need. In fact, efforts were made to keep the members from knowing what was happening. Today, I was told that this Board and future Boards will continue the perfecting of this Corporate philosophy because the documents now are set up for this form of governance. If a change were to be made the governing documents would all have to be changed first.
High percentage of unanimous board votes
I also thought it somewhat strange that at least one of the presenters mentioned the fact that in the recent past there seems to be an extremely high percentage of unanimous votes on things requiring a Board vote. But, there was no expanded discussion or search for possible reasons or methods to a possible remedy. This point was brought up during a discussion having
Who does the Board represent?
The subject of “who does the HSV Board represent” came up several times. In most
Villagers given very little consideration
This idea or concept of little representation is completely foreign and difficult to accept for most Villagers who have been brought up and lived in a representative environment where membership has input and the majority rules. But by almost leaving out the individual dues paying member it certainly appears that we owners have very little involvement in the overall importance of things.
Today’s morning session pertained mostly to what and how the Board does things and the responsibilities of the sitting Board members. I only had three things that struck me.
Unnecessary and dangerous expansion of power
The scope of the POA and its responsibilities in the last 5-6 years has expanded significantly and therefore the oversight and leadership required by the Board
It seems to me that the entire scope and feelings of responsibility (need to be involved in and acting on) has grown/expanded unnecessarily and dangerously recently. Present leadership has in its thinking that the POA is responsible and should have input into many aspects of a member’s life. I just got the feeling that if things are left unchecked by good sense and/or money that sometime down the road the POA would blossom into a quasi-city or state type government.
The POA has expanded into many losing endeavors
I just think back to when folks bought land or moved to the Village how I believe, that the only things we wanted from the POA were to responsibly manage our money and take care of our assets, infrastructure, and amenities. Nothing more, nothing less. But, we are now in the real estate, food and beverage, entertainment, watercraft/recreation equipment businesses, which are venture capital, profit, and loss type endeavors, all of which are losing money and needing a subsidy.
Should we not be reducing the scope and responsibilities of the POA/BOD instead of continuing to grow?
Responsibilities of BOD becoming too large
In the same vein of POA growth comes the need for the HSV Board to keep up with its job leadership and oversight. With this expansion, it requires Board members to sacrifice more and more of their time and have increased training, knowledge, and/or expertise to do /handle the job of Director. I sincerely believe that as the size of the
Why is Corporate form of governance better?
This whole exercise was very interesting, enlightening, and informative. The history/timeline displayed and expanded on was, to me, the best part of the orientation. Although the problems, deficiencies, shortcomings, etc. were highlighted by this time graph, there was no correlation between the faulty experiences and the operating philosophy presented. To say that any part of the philosophy would have precluded an event was not made. That seems to be another reason to question, why this “Corporate” form of governance is any better than another form.
Robert Busse, Hot Springs Village Property Owner 03/29/2019
Commentary from Lloyd Sherman re: 2019 HSV Board Orientation
Purpose of Orientation is to convince BOD they are responsible to organization and not property owners
We are considered a 528 under the subset of a 501(c) and it is a classification for homeowner associations for tax purposes. The real concern should be that the HSV BOD/CEO have taken this to the extreme and are setting up the Village to operate as a for-profit corporation by changing Bylaws and policies to neuter the Board and transfer more decision making and power to the administration. The first day of the orientation was all about laying out that case and intimidating the candidates into coming over to the dark side and joining the movement. This is how they have molded previous candidates into a position where they cannot follow through with their commitments to the property owners. Orientation is to convince them they are responsible
Present course leads to Peter Principle in full effect
Everyone should be made aware that the orientation of HSV Board members has ONE focus in mind. Convince them that their duty is to the organization and not to the property owners. This concept has been in place for 5-6 years now and will be nearly impossible to reverse while the majority of the Board buy into turning the operations into a business entity. In addition to being non-representative to the property owners, it results in becoming all things to all people and going down paths we have no specialized personnel to accommodate. It also spreads our resources short and cannot lead anywhere except to the Peter Principle
Lloyd Sherman, Hot Springs Village Property Owner 3/29/19
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will
03/29/2019 — 3:51 pm
I wish to thank all who contributed to the foregoing. However personally I am so frustrated with the actions of the board and the seeming inability to correct or stop it. The presented information certainly is informative and well thought out. But for months so many homeowners have voiced anger and frustration about the situation. The defeat of the proxies was encouraging. But I have not seen one recommend course of specific action to solve the problem of the power of the board. The recent board election seemed to be hopeful but remains to be seen what the new members will be able to accomplish. I was hopeful that the CCI lawsuit could bring fourth much needed financial information and transparency. But for whatever reason seem to be languishing. There a lot of people with good ideas but apparently absolutely no way to get it accomplished. My question is specifically how do we began to solve our problem?
HSVP C
03/29/2019 — 8:57 pm
Will, no worries. We are doing it.
Sam
03/30/2019 — 12:42 am
Regarding the high number of unanimous votes and the idea that it is to help prevent lawsuits so as to presenting a unified front – so how well is that working for us????
HSVP C
03/30/2019 — 11:12 am
Sam, you are correct. But we have elected 3 new Directors. Let’s be patient and see what happens. We are not going to correct this overnight.
Sue
03/30/2019 — 1:23 am
Thanks for the interpretation, it was informative and insightful.
HSVP C
03/30/2019 — 11:12 am
Thanks, Sue, for the comment and support.
Anonymous
03/31/2019 — 1:40 am
Did you know there use to be nine member board in HSV past?
Anonymous
04/01/2019 — 1:42 am
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What is Eckankar of Arkansas on new HSV website, google it, a cult?
HSVP C
03/30/2019 — 8:58 am
Gene Garner said, “I’ve just read the two opinion pieces by Tom Blakeman and Bob Busse and the well-written article by Cheryl Dowden summarizing the meeting. Both Tom and Bob bring up some interesting questions but I want to comment on a statement by Ms. Allgood as reported by Cheryl.
“Cheryl summarized; “The BOD is not required to share information, The Freedom of Information Act does not apply according to Allgood.” This statement sounds as if the BOD can withhold all information from property owners with impunity and tell us only what they want to release. But that’s not true. It is true HSV doesn’t fall under the Freedom of Information Act but we have an even better document to learn what really happened behind closed doors.
“In our Articles of Incorporation Arkansas Code Annotated § 4-28-218 (e) states “All books and records of a corporation may be inspected by any member for any proper purpose at any reasonable time.” With FOIA you have to know what documents hold the smoking gun and you can request just those documents. With the above statute, you can shuffle thru as many documents as you want until you find what you need.
“As we know CCI has a lawsuit pending, in Saline County, that wants the details of the CEO’s contract. Hopefully, the courts will remove all doubt about our rights to inspecting the books and records with their decision.—Gene”
(Permission was received from Gene Garner to post his comment here. Thanks so much, Gene for all you do for our community.)
Kirk Denger
03/30/2019 — 10:59 am
” In addition, thanks also go to HSV POA Corporate managers. Without you, this meeting would not have been possible. The staff did a great job of assembling notebooks for all of the HSV POA nonprofit Corporate BOD members and making necessary arrangements.”
This message is brought to you by, The Congress of New Urbanism/ Andres Duany, through his agents.
Comment by Kirk Denger
HSVP C
03/30/2019 — 11:04 am
LOL, Kirk. Your comment seems to imply that I am an agent of the CNU or Andres Duany. I am not. My message is not brought to the Village by the Congress of New Urbanism or Andres Duany. My message is brought to you by myself, Cheryl Dowden. Thank you.
Kirk
03/30/2019 — 7:24 pm
Cheryl, I think you missed my message. Your message was about the POA presentation and my comment is about the POA presentation, not your reporting of it. My comment could be edited to say “this indoctrination presentation is brought to you by the Congress of New Urbanism/ Duany, through his agents. WE know that Duany’s agents are the past GM/Consultant, The CEO and the Placemaker.
HSVP C
03/31/2019 — 6:55 pm
Thank you for the clarification, Kirk.