By Former Board Director, Frank Leeming, 4/20/20
New board hits ground running, then stumbles and pushes issues to May 6; CMP likely to be killed next month
A number of major changes were initiated today by the POA board of directors, including abolishing the Governance Committee and creating a new committee focusing on finances and long-range planning.
An effort to abolish the Comprehensive Master Plan (CMP) and a redefinition of job descriptions were tabled. The discussion will resume at the board’s works session on May 6.
CEO Lesley Nalley told the board a request for $3 million in federal aid has been approved, which she said “is great news.” The POA doesn’t know if it is a forgivable loan or will have to be paid back with one percent interest.
The news was important because the billions of federal stimulus dollars have been spent, and many applicants were disappointed to not get any.
When the meeting began its discussion of issues, director Nancy Luehring moved to adjourn the meeting because she said she didn’t have enough time to study the material. Tormey Campagna seconded the motion, which was defeated 5-2.
The landslide of action began when vice-chair Lloyd Sherman moved to abolish the Governance Committee, which he called a “board within the board.” Campagna, who was a member of the committee under the former board, denied it was ever considered “the conscience of the board.”
Podawiltz said she frequently felt frustrated by directions from the committee when she was a minority member.
Kirk Denger said the Governance Committee has been in violation of POA bylaws since its inception.
The board voted 5-2 to abolish the committee.
Next, Sherman moved to annul the Comprehensive Master Plan and all references to it in POA’s policies. He said the CMP was a waste of POA money and manpower, and it tried to steer the Village toward urbanization, which was not the intent of the Village’s original developer.
Nancy Luehring said a vote of the property owners should be held before the CMP is abolished. Campagna said another plan should be adopted before the CMP is done away with.
CEO Lesley Nalley, who has been a major advocate of the plan, defended it and said abolishing the CMP would lead to confusion.
“I’m very concerned by the broadness of this measure,” Nalley said.
Director Tucker Omohundro pointed out to Nalley things worked just fine before the CMP was adopted.
Director Dick Garrison cited a list of actions taken in recent years that have undermined Village marketing and led to lawsuits.
Sherman said, “we need to return to a maintenance organization and not a development organization.”
As directors argued over details, Podawiltz moved to table the discussion until the work session on May 6. The motion to table was approved 6-1, with Denger voting no.
Podawiltz said there would be no vote on the CMP issue until the regular monthly board meeting on May 20.
“Be careful of the message you’re sending out here, that we don’t have a plan,” Nalley said.
Discussion of abolishing the CMP advisory committee also was tabled.
Next, Sherman moved to abolish the Finance Committee and replace it with a new standing committee focused on both finance and strategic planning.
The committee would have no powers and would advise the board. It would have nothing to do with day-to-day operations of the POA, Podawiltz said.
Campagna said such a committee is undermining the role of the CEO.
The new POA treasurer, Dan Aylward, supported the concept of the committee. “We don’t have a good mechanism right now” for planning ahead, he said.
Nalley, who was originally hired as the POA’s chief financial officer (CFO), disputed Aylward position. She said the new committee could undermine her ability to do her job, and the ability of the POA’s CFO, Liz Mathis, to do her work.
The motion to abolish the finance committee as it exists was approved 5-2.
Sherman then moved to create the new committee, which Luehring promptly moved to table “until I have time to study the motion.” Campagna seconded the motion to table.
Podawiltz said it is imperative to get the committee established as quickly as possible.
Nalley pointed out the CEO would not be a member of the new committee, which would be wrong.
The vote to table discussion was defeated 5-2.
Garrison moved to amend the motion, so the CFO would be the staff liaison on the new committee. The amended motion was approved 5-2. Then it was changed to make sure the CEO would be involved, and finally, the new committee was approved on a 5-2 vote.
Nalley protested again, saying her role was being removed from budgeting and capital spending.
Sherman’s next motion dealt with improving communications between the board and POA committees. Luehring moved again to table the motion so she would have time to study the proposal, and the motion was adopted unanimously. The proposal will be discussed at the work session on May 6.
Podawiltz asked Campagna and Luehring to develop a list of which directors should serve as liaisons to the various POA committees.
Nalley argued that changes being discussed would have the CFO reporting to the board treasurer, instead of her. “I think it’s complete overreach,” Nalley said. She also said the board secretary should not be the liaison to Cooper Communities and the POA’s attorneys.
When a motion was made to table a measure framing job descriptions of key officers and directors, Podawiltz said she didn’t do a good enough job in drafting the measures. Tabling was unanimously approved, and discussion will continue May 6.
The board will not have its annual retreat. Two work sessions each month will take their place.
Board secretary Marcy Mermel was told to review all POA policies on finance, accounting, and strategic planning and bring the review back to the board for action.
As the meeting dragged into its third hour, it became clear the directors were becoming uncomfortable with the magnitude of what they were trying to do and decided to back off and get its act together.
In a departure from tradition, none of the language or paperwork supporting the various motions were made public before the meeting. It was clear the new board majority has a long list of things it wants to accomplish and rushed too fast at today’s meeting.
Podawiltz reported the board hired the Rose Law Firm at its executive session following the board meeting last week.
By Former Board Director, Frank Leeming, 4/20/20
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Walter
04/20/2020 — 6:58 pm
Great Start!!!!! Progress at last!!! I can wait another month to see CMP go away!!!
Mark
04/20/2020 — 7:08 pm
Big thanks to the Fab Five. Great start.
Keep up the good work. How Ironic to hear Nalley cry about overreaching. Look forward to her departure as well as the two board holdovers.
Greg Gillis
04/20/2020 — 7:20 pm
Rose Law firm? If I’m not mistaken isn’t it the same firm Hilary Clinton worked for? That speaks volumes for where we’re heading. God help us.
HSVP J
04/20/2020 — 7:48 pm
Clinton hired Rose Law firm because they are damned good. Rose Law defeated the CEO and the 2018 board over their refusal to allow property owners to view documents. They are the reason we know what is in the CEO’s contract.
HSVP C
04/20/2020 — 7:49 pm
Greg, a little short-sighted, aren’t you? Hiring Rose Law Firm certainly does speak volumes for where we are headed. Someone as rich as powerful as Hillary Clinton would only hire the best, most skilled and hardest working law firm. Attorneys represent clients to the best of their abilities. This does not mean they agree with their clients or have the same agenda. You practically said that Rose Law Firm is akin to Hillary Clinton and it certainly is not. Thank you.
Timothy E Noonan
04/23/2020 — 10:57 am
To answer your question, yes, Hillary did work at the Rose Law firm. Lawyers make a firm. Rose is a fine firm. They work for the POA. We don’t work for them. If they don’t perform, I am sure the Board, that we all elected, will do the right thing.
“You are only as good as your last performance. Marie Dressler”
Frank Shears aka Bubba
04/20/2020 — 7:23 pm
We watched the meeting today and noticed there were over 180 others viewing it at the same time we were. As the meeting progressed we were cheering and making so much noise it sounded like a World Series game around here LOL. We even snacked on peanuts and beer LOL.
We are all very fortunate to have Diana and our four new members on the Board of Directors now.
HSVP J
04/20/2020 — 7:50 pm
A very productive meeting and a great success for villagers. The Throne committee is gone!
Judy P
04/20/2020 — 7:40 pm
What we witnessed today was a clear “line in the sand!”
Turncoat Tormey showed his true colors in blazing glory.
Nancy (with her head up LN’s ass) Luehring, made it clear to everyone that she will oppose anything that the new regime sponsors.
The real “tell” was anytime Lesley spoke of her “concerns”, what she was really saying was “I don’t like this because it reduces my power over HSV.”
Our new BOD members, are clearly out to right the wrongs but in my opinion, they bit off more than they could chew today. But that’s OK. No worries! I applaud their efforts. They showed us that they are on the side of Property Owners and that they all have a spine! Thank you.
I suspect that all our new BOD members today, were schooled in how important it is to do your homework before trying to push through the Property Owners’ agendas. You’re dealing with masterful manipulators! Stay focused! Don’t let Tormey and Nancy sidetrack you with extraneous BS. And every time Lesley speaks – remember – she’s coming from a “protection of power” and “self-preservation” perspective. Don’t let her bully or scare you.
One concern: There is so much work to be done by our new BOD, maybe weekly sessions ought to be enacted until we can get a handle on this runaway train. Why wait until May? The May 6 work session and the May 20 BOD meeting might be just as overwhelming for them as today was. Just saying ……
And lastly – to our new BOD members: meet privately with skilled Property Owners to “run your lines” before you step into the ring and find yourself in the midst of another Tormey/Nancy/Lesley ambush.
We Property Owners have your backs – 100%. But small successful steps are better than grandiose displays of “there’s a new sheriff in town!” Get my drift?
We Property Owners are NOT expecting our new BOD to make colossal changes over night. Small steps. Steady progress. Focused efforts. That’s what will get you the wins we all need.
HSVP J
04/20/2020 — 7:42 pm
The board meeting was impressive.
The newly elected members firmly set the tone and put the CEO on notice that It is not going to be business as usual in Hot Springs Village.
The Governance Committee which is the throne room for our top executive is gone. That means all board members will have input in policymaking. Very important to the community
The motion to abolish the finance committee as it exists was approved 5-2. Excellent considering the way the charter was written.
The board will not have its annual retreat. Two work sessions each month will take their place. A money saver for sure.
The CMP should not be a Governing document. That’s the start of eliminating it.
This board did not stumble, they showed temporary restraint on some of the issues. This new board is just getting started.
Minn Daly
04/20/2020 — 7:47 pm
Congrats to all New BOD members today was excellent second start on getting rid of Governance Committee! Thanks to Kirk For standing ground on by-law issue. CMP was put off for next meeting because legacy BOD said we did not have a strategic plan for HSV. We have had a plan, go to http://www.hsvpoa.org governance committee you will see PDF files on the plan. in 2015 Keith Keck gave it over to ex GM Twiggs to change. This was all published in HSV Voice. Unless I totally misread the files it looked like a plan to me! All info is on HSV web site. Our NEW BOD has a lot to correct & it will take time but today was a very good start. Minn Daly
Kilroy
04/20/2020 — 9:26 pm
This board has NOT stumbled. Respectfully, but…what did you see different than me? They accomplished exactly enough today. They know Rome was not built in a day. They were measured and calculating, and make no mistake, they are in control. We have been in purgatory for too long to expect complete independence with the newly emerging BOD. Patience. Much Patience. They have this, Promise.
HSVP C
04/20/2020 — 9:35 pm
Kilroy, I totally agree. Much progress was made today. We will build on this progress. We have the majority and will succeed. We know LN, TC, and NL are going to protest and kick and scream. That is okay. I am really proud of the strides our Directors made today.
1ArmMark
04/20/2020 — 9:55 pm
First time post my fellow Villagers.
A quick bio, I am not originally from Arkansas but soon will be a full time Balboa shore-liner.
I feel compelled to remind those who are quick to defend the Rose Law firm and in particular Hillary Clinton, of the infamous White Water scandal that both were involved in. Hillary did not hire the law firm, she worked for it!!!
I personally have had no dealings with the firm and am not connected to the Clintons at all, but I do know that what she did on behalf of her husbands bid for the presidency, with full support from the Rose Law firm was completely illegal and immoral!!! I also believe that any business should not be evaluated by the actions of only one of it’s employees, but to defend it based on that employee’s very questionable actions is not a compelling argument. The POA can and should continue to enlist the services of the Rose firm, but DO NOT justify your defense of the firm by associating Hillary’s involvement with it because that holds as much respect as her oversite of our State Department!!!
HSVP C
04/21/2020 — 8:25 am
I stand corrected as I did not understand Hillary was an employee and am in no way defending the actions of Hillary Clinton. What happened in the past with Hillary Clinton and Rose Law Firm is in the past and I totally agree with you. Hiring Rose Law Firm was the right choice for the Directors to make. That is all I was trying to say. Thank you.
steve bylow
04/20/2020 — 10:14 pm
Thanks for the great update – I’d echo an earlier comment and use the phrase “check and adjust” versus “stumble” to describe the meeting.
It looks like a great start to having a plan to taking control and doing what they said they would do.
Thanks
Steve
anonymous
04/20/2020 — 10:36 pm
Keep in mind that the Rose Law Firm is the firm used by John Cooper. Could it be that this is the reason they are the firm of choice of the new Board members?
John
04/21/2020 — 7:57 am
It is also the firm that kicked the over compensated CEO’s ass in 2018. Your reasoning is illogical.
Anonymous
04/21/2020 — 1:16 pm
That lawsuit was in effect against John Cooper, Senior. Our Board had for years not felt it was necessary to change a By-Law put in place early in the development of the Village. So, John Cooper, III sued to change something his Grandfather put in place. Lesley Nalley was simply doing what the By-Law dictated she should do. If you are going to disagree with a By-law that governs our community, at least be honest about what it is.
Kirk Denger
04/22/2020 — 8:08 am
Anonymous04/21/2020 — 1:16 pm, It is the illegal misuse of the Bylaw by the POA to conceal information that the case was about. Thank you Rose Law firm.
Anonymous
04/28/2020 — 2:42 pm
That’s what the Rose Law firm lawyers said, not what the Judge said.
Robby
04/21/2020 — 6:03 am
Actually a pretty good start, all in all. Thanks to the new board members, who have shown courage in a relatively short time. I applaud them.
I would hesitate to replace disbanded committed with new ones, however. Here are my thoughts you might have missed as they were in another post:
Do we need these silly little committees???
Plain and simple – we do not!
These committees are a total joke. So often the board and/or the little “ceo” have completely ignored the recommendations the committees made. Or they have twisted the committees’ recommendations through the “plants” they placed on the committees. Very, very wrong.
Then the little “ceo” stuffed the committees with weak, non-thinking yes men and women toadies, so that the committees’ recommendations simply echoed whatever the little “ceo” wanted.
WE DO NOT NEED THE COMMITTEES. THEY ARE POINTLESS. USELESS.
Let’s go back to taking community input at the board meetings where it belongs and then let’s simply let the board to its job.
Remember, folks, committees for the most part are great big empty nothings. A committee is often just a group that keeps minutes and wastes hours.
A good working committee should have no more than three members, two of whom are absent.
“If you had to identify, in one word, the reason why the human race has not achieved, and never will achieve, its full potential, that word would be committee meetings.” – Dave Barry
“How many twenty-second-century bureaucrats did it take to change a light bulb?
We’ll have a sub-committee meeting and get back to you with an estimate.”
“Always hated the sight of five, six grown men sitting around a table, doing nothing but work their jaw.” – Amy Proulx
To kill time, a committee meeting is the perfect weapon.
A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled.
A “Normal” person is the sort of person that might be designed by a committee. You know, “Each person puts in a pretty color and it comes out gray.” ~Alan Sherman
A committee is a thing which takes a week to do what one good man can do in an hour. ~Elbert Hubbard
Meetings are indispensable when you don’t want to do anything. ~John Kenneth Galbraith
People who enjoy meetings should not be in charge of anything. ~Thomas Sowell
END THEM AND END THEM NOW!!!!!
Useless. Totally useless.
And, please, let’s get rid of the “ceo” position. We are not a corporation, we never were a corporation, and we never will be a corporation. Thus, why have a little “ceo” with a Napoleon complex? Unnecessary. Utterly. The position MUST be removed.
Trust me on this people…we don’t need these committees or the “ceo” position and they are not helping HSV to get out of the deep morass that the recent board and the little “ceo” have placed us in. Not one whit.
We need action and we need it now…unencumbered by phony committees who do nothing more than delay, obfuscate, and toady themselves into utter and complete irrelevance.
Wake up everyone…the times, they are a changin’!
Nancy
04/21/2020 — 10:22 pm
I’d like to remind the person who is advocating that committees are useless and instead suggest the board should talk to community members instead that the committee members are all residents who have vested interest in the Village. I’d also like to point out that committees can and are very effective when they are given the latitude to execute their task AND the results of their findings, recommendations and suggestions are heard, are discussed, and potentially adopted. When committees are silenced or not empowered, or sabotaged it is easy to understand why they fail. I dispute your comments that committees are time wasters and note takers. The persons who volunteer to the committees are lending their expertise in order to improve the community they live in. They take the job seriously even though they aren’t paid. Please give these folks a bit more respect!
Tom Blakeman
04/22/2020 — 7:19 am
If we are going to have them then they need to have some authority and control as to what our POA does and some accountability for what they recommend or implement should it fail. Otherwise they are just a bunch of people fooling each other. And, like it or not that is what committees traditionally do everywhere including here.
Minn Daly
04/22/2020 — 9:39 am
Highly recommend that all read a repinned article (What came first the chicken or the egg) posted on this site. legacy knew we had a Strategic plan for HSV. Change was generated under Twiggs, continued with legacy BOD/CEO. Minn Daly
Robby
04/22/2020 — 12:01 pm
I stand behind my statement. We don’t need the committees. We need a board that does its job.
With input from the residents.
Committees just delay, obfuscate, ruminate, and don’t accomplish much of anything, except perhaps making the committee members feel self-important.
Simple as that.
Move along people. Do your jobs. Ditch the stuff that gets in the way.
Sorry, but there it is. The unvarnished truth. And it hurts some, I know, but it is, nevertheless, the truth.
No successful enterprise runs on committees. Not a single one. Ever.
Anonymous
04/28/2020 — 2:50 pm
I would guess you are against these two Board Work Session meetings every month. If they are not going to live stream to the Villagers and allow their input, what are they accomplishing that couldn’t be done in the regular Board Meeting every month. I noticed we haven’t even seen a video of yesterday’s Work Session on You Tube. It must be a complete waste of time unless they want to work outside the Villager’s purview.