By Cheryl Dowden, March 24, 2020
Hot Springs Village Property Owners’ Association held its Board of Directors vote count today, March 24, 2020. Hot Springs Village People requested to document and report on the vote count procedures, but we were denied access.
Vote process was riddled with problems
This count was originally supposed to occur on March 19 but was delayed due to the failure of many ballots not being mailed out as originally scheduled. The excuse given for this fiasco was the resignation of Buddy Dixon.
The whole election process has been fraught with missteps. We were informed about an envelope missing a ballot and one envelope containing two ballots.
There are numerous reports of some Property Owners being denied their right to vote by nonreceipt of ballots. There was no procedure set to address this issue. It was “too bad” if you didn’t receive a ballot.
Of course, we cannot actually prove that some Property Owners were not in receipt of ballots due to the careless manner the POA conducted the election. As there are no identifiers on the ballots or envelopes, there is no way of telling who returned a ballot or who didn’t. This supposedly was done in the guise of confidentiality. There is a system that could have accurately addressed this issue and maintained the confidentiality of all voters.
Double Envelope Voting System
There is a well-known system used by other Associations called the “Double-envelope System” that would have remedied this situation. The Double-envelope System is a confidential method used to keep track of all votes. This system is a foolproof way of maintaining the confidentiality of voters. This system, in tandem with other checks and balances, would reduce if not completely prevent election fraud by both the POA and Property Owners. (I am not suggesting that any Property Owner has ever committed voter fraud or that the POA has slipped in extra ballots.)
If a Property Owner claimed he/she did not receive a ballot, he/she could be supplied with one. If this Property Owner was mistaken or lying, then proof of this would turn up during the vote count. This is how the Double-envelope System works:
“The outside envelope contains the voter’s information. The people who handle those envelopes confirm that the voter is eligible, hasn’t already had a ballot counted, etc.”
“Provided that there are no irregularities, they then certify the ballot as eligible and remove the outer envelope.” This ballot would be checked off of a master list of Property Owners/Properties. Of course, some Property Owners would have their name more than one time on the master list and have multiple ballots, if they were owners of more than one property.
The now certified ballot, contained within the inner envelope, is then passed on in a batch to be counted by other election officials.
“The purpose of this is to preserve voting secrecy. The officials who know who cast the ballot don’t see the ballot. The officials who count the ballots don’t know what voter cast them. So no one ever knows how you actually voted.”
HSVPOA Board Denies HSV People
Although Hot Springs Village Voice and KVRE were allowed to view the vote count, Chair Cindi Erickson denied Hot Springs Village People. The excuse was COVID-19. Initially, Chair Erickson only approved for the Village Voice to attend. She changed her mind when KVRE expressed its dissatisfaction with being left out and permitted them to attend. Chair Erickson failed to give HSV People the same opportunity.
Was access denied perhaps because we have often published disagreeing opinions regarding the actions of HSVPOA Board and Management, or because some of the Villagers’ comments on this website are not very favorable to the POA Board and management?
In the past, there have been numerous reports of retaliation against those outspoken against the POA. As long as the POA picks and chooses the news sources and shows favoritism, there will be no real freedom of the press in Hot Springs Village.
Lorri Street requested we be allowed to attend the count
Lorri Street, the founder of “We the People,” also requested that Joe and I be allowed to attend this count. In an email to Ms. Nalley and Chairman of the Election Day Committee Kahle, Ms. Street had this to say:
“As a volunteer member of the ballot counting committee, I think it’s of paramount importance that the reporting team of Cheryl and Joe Dowden also be included to further add integrity and credibility to the overall ballot-counting process. That gesture would be seen by many, many HSV Property Owners as a step toward more ballot counting transparency.”
Yes, Lorri is right. The gesture would have been seen by many as a step towards transparency. Guess the Board once again dropped that ball.
We will do better next year!
A big shout out of appreciation to the vote counters
Thank you to the Villagers who volunteered to count the votes today. These are selfless individuals who freely gave of their time and efforts to perform this painstaking and tedious chore and we will be forever indebted to you for this service.
By Cheryl Dowden, March 24, 2020
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A Dave
03/24/2020 — 3:53 pm
Are you an credentialed news organization? I read a one sided take on the happenings in the village and that does not entitle you to act as a independant news organization. You should not have been allowed to view the count and given that two respected news outlets were there I think it was enough.
Here’s the bottom line: the three candidates everyone wants will be elected and the only question is who will be the fourth, Denger or Choyce.
If you did not get a ballot or something was amiss then it is that persons responsibility to seek correction.
While I believe we need some changes in the village and how the POA is running the business I am tired of reading irrational articles. Personally attacking anyone and their families (it has happened on both sides) is childish and frankly when that happens I have no respect for the person that spews the filth.
Take a breath and wait for the results.
HSVP C
03/24/2020 — 4:23 pm
Thank you POA management for the quick response. I see you are still visiting this “uncredentialed” website. Why come to the site if you think so lowly of us? I have not attacked anyone or their families.
Tom Blakeman
03/24/2020 — 4:52 pm
So what constitutes a ”credentialed news organization.” Is it based on reporting facts and truth or is it based on being a for profit business that survives on advertising and is likely beholden to its main advertisers?
A dave
03/24/2020 — 5:13 pm
Censorship and only reporting one sided views is not credible. This is not a viable news organization. Journalism is supposed to be unbiased, this is not.
Interesting and entertaining, Yes, but not giving me the whole picture.
Not A dave
03/24/2020 — 6:46 pm
Better than anything the POA has published.
And Nalley attacks people publicly and privately, how is that tolerated?
A dave
03/24/2020 — 9:56 pm
It shouldn’t be, but to lower oneself to the same level makes that person just as much of an idiot.
How did we get Nalley and the rest of the cast of characters are the ones that should be blamed for the mess we are in now.
Kirk Denger
03/25/2020 — 9:55 pm
A dave03/24/2020 — 9:56 pm, You are absolutely correct and I support your opinion, Let’s jump out of the frying pan but not into the fire.
Tom Blakeman
03/25/2020 — 7:06 am
Hey, A Dave. Go tune in to CNBC OR CNN and then preach to us about credible and unbiased journalism.
Moe
03/24/2020 — 4:05 pm
Have results been released yet???? Will they be posted here when available???
Very predictable that they would refuse your admittance to the “count”.
HSVP C
03/24/2020 — 4:19 pm
Moe, we have not heard the results. We will publish as soon as we hear. Thanks!
HSVP J
03/24/2020 — 4:24 pm
We wanted to thoroughly document the vote counting with video and even possibly live-stream it.
I doubt that the other two news outlets are using video, in addition, we were not sure how long the Voice and KVRE would remain at the count.
As far as one-sided reporting, any article Cheryl or I post are based on recordings. There are opinion pieces on the website authored by numerous people.
As far as independent reporting, we receive zero advertising dollars from HSVPOA.
HSVP C
03/24/2020 — 4:46 pm
We receive zero advertising dollars, period. We are beholden to only the PEOPLE of Hot Springs Village.
A dave
03/24/2020 — 5:17 pm
I couldn’t care less if you have or have no advertising. While there is some truths published here I end up feeling that the articles end up bitching and moaning about things that are not worth wasting my time on. Two news outlets viewed the count and that is enough.
Moe
03/24/2020 — 5:23 pm
We could not care less what you think.
Lewis Robinson
03/24/2020 — 5:31 pm
be nice and hear what others say
A dave
03/24/2020 — 6:10 pm
Your ignorance is exposed Moe. You are typical of the “if you do not agree with me you are wrong” crowd. To hell with the whole truth.
lew robinson
03/24/2020 — 5:25 pm
I see no reason why you shouldn’t be allowed to see the vote but
there were two news outlets there to report without any bias or comment They should have allowed you
Lewis Robinson
03/24/2020 — 5:26 pm
I see no reason why you shouldn’t be allowed to see the vote but
there were two news outlets there to report without any bias or comment They should have allowed you
lr
03/24/2020 — 5:27 pm
I see no reason why you shouldn’t be allowed to see the vote but
there were two news outlets there to report without any bias or comment They should have allowed you
Lewis Robinson
03/24/2020 — 5:30 pm
sorry for the repeats my computer is acting up sorry
steve bylow
03/24/2020 — 5:55 pm
A Dave
While I appreciate your perspective and would typically agree the local paper should be considered an independent source for reporting news – my personal experience with having a letter to the editor rejected because it included a fact related to the CEO’s contract was a significant concern.
When I called to get clarification it reinforced my concern.
Personally I appreciate the articles on this blog and find them valuable in filling the void created by the lack of transparency by our Village leaders.
The blog also helped me view the candidates online and help me determine who had the best business acumen to lead the Village out of the current mess.
Steve
A dave
03/24/2020 — 6:12 pm
Steve, point well taken and yes, not all content here is negative.
David Cohen
03/24/2020 — 6:37 pm
Guys, I was there, I am not involved in any politics in the village. I volunteered to be a counter when I got my Gold 2020 car stickers and there was a sign up sheet.
I was there from start to finish and there were no shenanigans, no Tom foolery, no slight of hand no reason tho come up with a conspiracy theory.
It was all done in a very professional manner.
All ballots were counted twice and and an extra time if there was a discrepancy, and all discrepancies were documented when the recount was done.
Due to Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) they had to restrict access to only the people counting and those verifying the process.
If they would have let people wander in off the street I doubt that most of us counters would have shown up, We don’t want to catch COVID-19 and it’s in Garland County.
By the way I provided the masks that were given to the counters at Coronado Center today.
Take my word for it that everything was Kosher in regard to the vote count.
HSVP J
03/24/2020 — 6:52 pm
Thank you, for volunteering. Our concern has never been about the volunteer counters.
Lorri Street
03/24/2020 — 7:04 pm
I beg your pardon David Cohen…although the majority of the HSV Property Owners recieved the results they worked hard for and anticipated “everything was NOT kosher” as you state. And I even shared that with you during the short period of time you were an observer at my table.
I’ll share more on this tomorrow once I recover from 9 hours of vote counting…other’s mayhave been there 10 hours. Ridiculous!!!
Arkansans for Ethical Government
03/25/2020 — 4:49 am
Please do tell us more about your involvement in the process Ms. Street.
A dave
03/25/2020 — 5:35 pm
My god, give it a rest. Not unusual to have counts drag on. The three expected to win did and the fourth was probably favored.
It is nauseating to have to listen to conspiracy theories. If you feel things were wrong go hire a lawyer and spend your money trying to right a wrong.
As Coach Blake would say “holy bald headed farting moses” this is ridiculous.
HSVP C
03/24/2020 — 7:45 pm
David, thank you for your service. Also, thank you for providing the masks. That was very generous. My problem is that we were not allowed to document this process. We would have taken recommended precautions and would have remained out of the room. It is wrong for the POA to stop us and in my humble opinion, the reason they did is that they don’t agree with some of the posts on this website.