By Jason Warner (This article was published here on 3/12/20 and subsequently published on HSVPeople.com on 3/15/20)
This is a long post addressing two underlying issues with the current response to the pandemic that leave me concerned. It’s the longest post I’ve ever written.
For those of you not taking action, or believing the pandemic to be “overhyped”, you can make fun of me as much as you want now or when this is over. You can make me the subject of memes and post it everywhere. I will pose for the picture. I am not trying to convince you, but I do feel compelled to share information that I deem critical to all of us, which is why I am posting this at all.
WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE 5 MINUTES TO READ AND CONSIDER THE INFORMATION I AM SHARING:
For those of you who don’t know me well, I am analytical and metered. I don’t freak out nor do I respond emotionally. I also don’t post a bunch of bullshit or political or controversial stuff on Facebook. I founded and am CEO of a successful software company that provides SaaS-based data, analytics, and dashboards to recruiting departments at companies we all know. As you would expect, I am data-driven and fact-based. Before founding my company I held executive roles leading very large recruiting teams at some of the world’s fastest-growing companies such as Starbucks and Google. At Google I was fortunate enough to report to Sheryl Sandberg before she took the Facebook COO role. I was a Chemical Engineering major in college and have a business degree from a top undergraduate business school. I am not one for hyperbole or histrionics. My bullshit factor is close to zero.
I share all this personal information only to help solidify that this post may be worth reading and sharing with others. I would encourage you to forward or share this post at your discretion. Many people do not understand what is happening with the pandemic to the degree required which is why I took the time to write this and share this on Facebook.
Now that I’ve gotten the introduction out of the way, here are two issues I want to bring to everyone’s attention.
ISSUE ONE: SOCIAL NORMS ARE POWERFUL MOTIVATORS AND GETTING IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE TAKING THE RIGHT STEPS IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC:
One of the current problems with addressing the pandemic is the social pressures of taking action today. It’s awkward and feels like an over-reaction. The reason it feels like an overreaction is that most people OVERWEIGHT the currently reported cases and inherently UNDERWEIGHT the mathematics of how the virus is spreading and what will happen in about 30 days time. This is because our brains tend to think linearly as opposed to logarithmically. It’s the same reason many people don’t save for retirement or understand compound interest. To create a new social norm, human beings like to see behavior modeled. This serves as a signal that says, “oh, someone else is doing it so I should do it also.”
SO HERE IS A SOCIAL BENCHMARK FOR REFERENCE – THIS IS WHAT I’VE DONE FOR MY FAMILY TO DATE:
I have already isolated my family. We have canceled EVERYTHING. We have canceled previously scheduled doctor visits. Social get-togethers. Normal routine meetings. Everything has been canceled. It’s difficult and socially awkward. Some of you think I’m crazy, but I’m doing it not because I am afraid, but because I am good at math (more on that in part 2). I had to have my 16-year-old daughter quit her job coaching junior gymnasts at the local gym, with one day’s notice and also tell my kids they can’t attend the youth group at church. Both of those were tough discussions. I told a very close friend he shouldn’t stay at my house this weekend even though he was planning to and had booked his flight from the Bay Area. I canceled another dear friend’s visit for later this month to go snowboarding on Mt Bachelor.
We are not eating out. Our kids are already doing online school so we don’t have to make changes there. I would not send my kids to school even if they were in public or private school. We have eliminated all non-essential contact with other people. We will only venture out to grocery shop when required. We will still go outside to parks, go mountain biking, hiking, and recreate to keep ourselves sane and do other things as a family, just not with other people. We have stocked up on food and have a supply for ~2 months. We have stocked up on other goods that if depleted would create a hardship, like medicines and feminine hygiene products. We have planned for shortages of essential items.
THE REASON I HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROUTE FOR MY FAMILY IS MULTI FACETED:
Assume the healthcare system cannot help
1. Although my family is considered low risk (I’m 49 in good health, Angi is 46 and in good health, and our kids are 14 and 16), we must assume that the healthcare system cannot help us, because the hospitals will become overwhelmed very quickly. Most American hospitals will become overwhelmed in approximately 30 days unless something changes. More on this in part 2 below. So although we are in great health and unlikely to become gravely ill, the risk is greater if you do not have access to the medical care that you need. This is something for everyone to consider. As a society, we are accustomed to having access to the best medical care available. Our medical system will be overwhelmed unless we practice social distancing at scale. That said, the medical teams in Italy are seeing an alarming number of cases from people in their 40s and 50s.
Social distancing is only way to stop the virus today
2. It’s not a matter of if social distancing will take place, it’s a matter of when. This is because social distancing is the only way to stop the virus today. As I will explain in part 2 below, starting now is FAR more effective than starting even 2 days from now or tomorrow. This has been proven by Italy and China (and soon to be France and other European countries who have been slow to respond.). Wuhan went on lockdown after roughly 400 cases were identified (and they had access to testing that America has systematically failed to do well to date). The US already has more than 4 times this number of known infected cases as Wuhan did when it was shut down, and our citizens are far more mobile and therefore spreading the virus more broadly when compared to Wuhan. Yet our response is tepid at best.
If hand washing and “being smart” were sufficient Italy would not be in crisis. So I pray the draconian measures are coming from our government, because they are required to stop the spread of the virus. It’s better to start sooner than later as the cost is actually far greater if we wait. I pray they close all schools and non-essential services the way that Italy and China have done.
Only two options
3. Spreading the virus puts those in the high-risk category at much greater risk. This is the moral argument. It’s a strong argument because there are only two ways, as of today, that the virus can be stopped: let it run its course and infect 100s of millions of people or social distancing. There is no other way today. If you don’t practice social distancing, people downstream from you that you transmit the virus to will die, and many will suffer.
Risk of Covid-19 infection increasing exponentially
4. The risk of infection is increasing exponentially, because the quantity of infected people, most who will not show symptoms, is doubling every three days. So the longer you wait to self-isolate, the greater the chance of you or someone you love becoming infected and then you infecting others because more of the population is becoming infected. There are twice as many infected people today as there was on Tuesday.
The virus is already here
5. The virus is already in your town. It’s everywhere. Cases are typically only discovered when someone gets sick enough to seek medical attention. This is important as it typically takes ~5 days to START showing ANY symptoms. Here’s the math: For every known case there are approximately 50 unknown cases. This is because if I become sick, I infect several people today, and they infect a few people each tomorrow (as do I), and the total count of infected people doubles every 3 days until I get so sick I get hospitalized or get tested and become a “known case”. But in the time it takes me to figure out I am sick 50 others downline from me now have the virus. So every third day the infection rate doubles until I get so sick that I realize I have the virus an am hospitalized or otherwise tested. Harvard and Massachusetts General Hospital estimate that there are 50x more infections than known infections as reported (citation below). The implication of this is that the virus is already “everywhere” and spreading regardless if your city has zero, few or many reported cases. So instead of the 1573 reported known cases today there are likely 78,650 cases, at least, in the United States. Which will double to 157,300 by this Sunday. And this will double to 314,600 cases by this coming Wednesday. So in less than 1 week, the number of total infected in the United States will quadruple. This is the nature of exponential math. It’s actually unfortunate that we are publishing the figures for known cases as it diverts attention away from more important numbers (like the range of estimated actual cases).
Some people cannot, or will not, practice social distancing
6. Some people cannot, or will not, practice social distancing for a variety of reasons and will continue to spread the virus to many people. So everyone else must start today.
The reasons above are why I have begun to practice social distancing. It’s not easy. But you should do it too.
Not enough ICU beds or ventilators
The hospitals will be at capacity and there are not enough ventilators. You will hear a lot about this issue in the coming few weeks… the shortage of ventilators.
ISSUE TWO: MANY PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG NUMBERS:
Yes, the virus only kills a small percentage of those afflicted. Yes, the flu kills 10s of thousands of people annually. Yes, 80% of people will experience lightweight symptoms with COVID19. Yes the mortality rate of COVID19 is relatively low (1-2%). All of this true, but is immaterial. They are the wrong numbers to focus on…
The nature of exponential math is that the infection rates start slowly, and then goes off like a bomb and overwhelms the hospitals. You will understand this math clearly in the next section if you do the short math exercise. Evergreen hospital in Seattle is already in triage. I have heard credible reports from people on the ground that they are already becoming overwhelmed. And the bomb won’t really go off for a few more days. Probably by Wednesday, March 18th (next week). In just a few days from now we will hear grave reports from Seattle hospitals.
You should assume the virus is everywhere at this point, even if you have no confirmed cases in your area.
YOU SHOULD DO THIS SIMPLE 2 MINUTE MATH EXERCISE (NO REALLY TAKE TWO MINUTES AND DO IT):
To further understand exponential growth, take the number of confirmed cases in your area and multiply by 10 (or 50 if you believe Harvard and Massachusetts General estimations) to account for the cases that are not yet confirmed. If you have no confirmed cases choose a small number. I’d suggest 10 cases in your city, if no cases are yet reported. But you can use whatever number you like. This number of infected people doubles every ~3 days as the infection spreads. So literally take your number, and multiply by 2. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Do this multiplication exercise 10 times in total.
2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x (the number of estimated infections in your city today (not just the reported cases)).
This result is the estimate for the actual cases in your area 30 days from now. The math will take 30 seconds to complete with a calculator and it’s worth doing the math to see how it grows. This end number is the number of cases in your city 30 days from today if a large percentage of the population do not practice social distancing.
2 to the 10th power is 1024. When something doubles 10 times, it’s the same as multiplying by 1024. The infection rate of the virus doubles every 3 days. In thirty days there will be 1,024 times the number of infected people in your area as there is today if your community does not immediately put social distancing into practice. One thousand and twenty-four times as many infected people as there is today, in just 30 days.
Next, divide the final number (the scary big one) you just calculated by the current population of your city and you will be able to get the percentage of people THAT YOU KNOW PERSONALLY who will be infected 30 days from now.
Next, take 15% (multiply by 0.15) of that final 30-day number of total infected people. This will provide an estimate of the serious cases which will require acute medical care, and compare it to the number of beds and ventilators available at your local hospital. Google the “number of beds” and the name of your local hospital now. It takes 2 seconds and the number of beds is easy to find. 65% of beds are already occupied by patients unrelated to the coronavirus. St Charles in Bend, Oregon where I live, has 226 beds and the town is roughly 100,000 people. Most hospitals have on average, 40 or fewer ventilators.
These numbers you just calculated are the problem: Too many patients, not enough beds, and a serious shortage of ventilators (the biggest problem) if we don’t immediately begin social distancing. More on this biggest problem related to the insufficient quantity of ventilators is below.
COUNTRIES THAT GET OVERWHELMED WILL HAVE A MUCH GREATER MORTALITY RATE BECAUSE THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY CARE FOR THE SICK
And by sick I mean not just coronavirus patients. Your son or daughter that needs acute care surgery this May for his badly broken leg will be attended to by an orthopedic doctor that has been working at maximum capacity and working 18-hour shifts for 7 days every week for 6 weeks because it was required to care for all the coronavirus patients at her hospital. Or the orthopedic surgeon will be sick with the virus and your son or daughter will be operated on by a non-expert or a member of the National Guard. Your elderly Mom that has diabetes and goes into acute distress next month may not receive ANY care because the doctors are consumed and have to prioritize patients based on triage handbooks filled with success rate probabilities. Your sibling’s family that are all injured in a terrible car crash in June will have diminished care. If one of them needs a ventilator there will be none available because all of them will be in use by critical coronavirus patients. Your young friend with cancer and a compromised immune system from treatment will succumb even though the cancer was curable and the treatment was working, because their body was too fragile to combat the coronavirus due to the chemotherapy and they couldn’t receive the customized, acute care required due to the hospital being overwhelmed. All of the above is currently happening in Italy, who had the same number of infections we have today just 2 weeks ago. You must start today.
The count of actual virus infections doubles every ~3 days. The news and government agencies are lagging in their response. So we hear that the US only has 1573 cases today (3/12/20), and it doesn’t seem like a lot. It would be better to report the estimated actual cases since reported cases don’t tell us much. However, we know from China that the actual number of cases is at least an order of magnitude greater than the reported cases because people get infected and do not display symptoms. In math, an “order of magnitude” means ten times difference, or put another way, a factor of 10. 100 is 10 times greater than 10, so it’s an order of magnitude greater.
Harvard Medical School / Massachusetts General Hospital just released its estimate (click here to play the recording) that the actual cases are 50x greater than the reported cases. So we likely have 75,000 cases in the United States already. The number of reported cases is not that important.
But let’s assume the current number of cases is only 10,000 ACTUAL cases in the United States just to be conservative and model out what will happen:
If we don’t stop the virus from spreading, in 30 days we will have 2 to the 10th power more cases of infected people because the infection count doubles every 3 days (the virus doubles every 3 days and there are 10, 3 day periods in 30 days).
The math: 2 to the 10th power means 1,024 times as many cases as we have today (2 times 2 repeated 10 times).
This number is a catastrophically big problem for all of us: We will have 10 million+ actual cases (10,000 actual cases today x 1,024) in the United States in just 30 days’ time if we continue without extreme social distancing. 10 million people with the virus. And it will keep doubling every 3 days unless we practice social distancing.
15% of cases require significant medical attention, which means that 1.5 million people will require significant medical attention if 10 million people get infected (15% of 10 Million total infections = 1.5 million people requiring hospitalization).
1.5 million hospitalizations are about 50% more than we have beds for at hospitals in the United States. And 65% of all beds are already occupied in our hospitals. But patients with the virus need ICU beds, not just any old hospital bed. Only about 10% of hospital beds are considered intensive care. So we will have a huge bed shortage, but that is not the biggest problem, as we can erect temporary ICU shelters and bring in more temporary beds, as Italy has already done, and California and Washington hospitals have already done. Evergreen Hospital in Seattle has already erected temporary triage tents in the parking lot as of 3/13/20. All regular beds are full at Evergreen Hospital as of yesterday.
This is why China, Norway & Italy shut everything down
Once the governments of China, Norway, and Italy came to understand this math, they reacted accordingly and shut EVERYTHING down. Extreme social distancing is the only response available to stop the virus today. The United States is not responding well nor are other countries like France or the UK. Countries that do not respond well will pay a much larger, catastrophic price.
But hospital beds are not the big problem. The lack of ventilators is the big problem. Most estimates peg the ventilators in the United States at roughly 100,000 to 150,000 units.
Sooner we begin social distancing, the better off we are
The primary and most serious comorbid (comorbid is a medical term that means co-existing or happening at the same time) condition brought on by the Coronavirus is something called bilateral interstitial pneumonia which requires ventilators for treatment of seriously ill patients. So if 1.5M people of the 10 million infected 30 days from now require acute care (15% of the 10M estimated total infections), 1.3M may not get the care that they need because we don’t have enough ventilators in the United States. And remember, this is only if ALL OF US EFFECTIVELY start social distancing by April 11th (30 days from today).
BUT IF WE START EXTREME SOCIAL DISTANCING BY MARCH 23 (12 days from this writing), WE AVOID OVER 1.4 MILLION PEOPLE GETTING CRITICALLY ILL AND OVERWHELMING THE HOSPITALS:
If everyone takes extreme measures to social distance, and the United States can dramatically reduce the spread of the virus 12 days from now, the math is very different, as the exponential growth will only be 2 to the 4th power (12 days divided by the doubling rate of every 3 days equals the exponent of 4):
2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16
So instead of 10 Million cases in the United States if we wait 30 days, if we act 18 days sooner, we will have only 160,000 cases (16 times the estimated 10,000 actual cases as of today), of which 15% are likely to require critical care. This is 24,000 critical patients (a huge difference compared to 1.5 million acute patients). The difference between taking extreme measures now, versus waiting even a few days, is very large due to how exponents work in math.
THE OUTCOME IS EVEN BETTER IF WE TAKE ACTION IN THE NEXT 6 DAYS: If the vast majority of the population self isolates and implements social distancing in only 6 days from now the exponential math is 2 to the 2nd power (6 days divided by the 3 days it takes the virus to double means the exponent is only 2). In math this is “two squared”.
2 x 2 = 4
Multiplied by the estimated 10,000 ACTUAL cases as of today (3/12/20) that means only 40,000 total cases will develop, 15% of which may be critical which is 6,000 critical patients.
Share this post broadly
This is why you should share this post broadly. If people begin social distancing in the next 6 days it will greatly reduce the impact on all of us. It’s why they say a “post goes viral”.
SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL REDUCE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY:
Finally, the longer everyone waits to practice significant social distancing the greater the economic hardship will be on all of us. Lost jobs. Mortgage defaults. Closed businesses. Bankruptcies. All will be minimized if you start social distancing today.
Some of the reasons the economic impacts will be reduced are worth mentioning: If we stop the virus now the overall duration of the outbreak will be far shorter. The stock market will normalize more quickly and recover more quickly. Businesses and people will be able to survive a shorter duration outbreak vs a longer duration outbreak. More companies will avoid bankruptcy if we begin to practice social distancing now.
This is a big financial reason to begin social distancing if you are employed by any company: if companies see that the virus is being slowed, they will be less likely to conduct layoffs. You will be more likely to be laid off or experience a job-related event if we don’t practice social distancing immediately. As an HR executive, I’ve been involved in many, many layoffs. It’s the last thing companies want to do. But if they see that the pandemic will be shorter-lived vs long and drawn out, they are less likely to make the permanent decision of laying off staff.
The overall economic impact that hits your bank account will be greater if you wait or you don’t practice social distancing. This is why Norway acted now, because it’s less economic impact to take drastic measures early than to do them later, and it saves a lot of lives and suffering by doing so. And Norway has only one confirmed death as of this writing.
START TODAY- I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH- YOU MUST START TODAY
Finally, the article that I posted yesterday written by Tomas Pueyo has been read 7M times in the last 24 hours and has been updated with new information. It’s worth reading again.
Click here to read Tomas Pueyo’s article.
Other up to date data I frequently consult regarding the pandemic is here:
Click here to read Worldometers updated stats.
I hope this is helpful and useful. My brain focuses on the math and I try and be fact-based in my analysis and interpretation of how I should respond.
MY FINAL PARTING THOUGHT:
Please share or forward this post at your discretion. If everyone shares this post and two of your friends share this post and so on, we use the power of exponential math to work in our favor, which seems appropriate given the virus is using that same exponential math against us.
HOW YOU CAN REALLY HELP:
If you know people who have large numbers of followers, or people in the media, please leverage your personal relationship with them and ask them to amplify this post by sharing it.
For people not on Facebook you can email or text the link. If you know people in government this fact-based post may help inform them to make the best decisions.
It’s time for us humans to go on the offensive against the virus. We must fight back.
There is only one way to do so: Social Distancing.
Do it today.
NOTE: Anyone, including the media, is free to use this post, any related content, in all or in part, for any purpose, in any format, with no attribution required. Please direct message me if you have other ideas for how to raise awareness.
By Jason Warner (This article was published here on 3/12/20 and subsequently published on HSVPeople.com on 3/15/20)
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Barbara
03/15/2020 — 8:06 pm
So many people are making a joke of this virus. Be smart folks, even tho your President immediately called this virus a hoax, it is not.
DONT PANIC , just be safe and smart.
Moe
03/16/2020 — 5:52 am
He never said the virus was a hoax. Ever.
Anonymous
03/16/2020 — 8:30 am
“The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” Trump said. “One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That did not work out too well. They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. … They tried anything. … And this is their new hoax.”
Moe
03/16/2020 — 9:46 am
He meant their politicizing of the virus, which they did do. They are do-nothing Dems…for sure…and when they most should support the president they won’t, even if it means hurting people and destroying the economy….they are bad people….for sure….riding dirty….
Barbara
03/16/2020 — 9:33 am
Oh but yes he did. If you watched the news it had him saying it in a news conference.
Moe
03/16/2020 — 9:47 am
I don’t watch any news from anyplace like NBC, CBS, ABC, etc.
EVER.
FAKE – all of it.
Sherry Mckinney
03/16/2020 — 9:29 am
Thank u for taking the time to write this and inform people! I am definitely sharing!
Charlie Clark
03/15/2020 — 8:42 pm
Absolute awesome summary of where we currently are with this health challenge. I truly appreciate your insight
Nancy
03/15/2020 — 10:50 pm
Appreciate the facts presented and while I didn’t need any more convincing, the numbers laid out in black and white emphasized the magnitude and seriousness of the situation. One thing I read about Italy: they admitted they acted too late and their culture is not one to follow directions or social distance. However, as reality set in with more and more deaths, they now pride themselves on doing their civic duty to quarantine and try and stop the spread. I’ve seen many stories and photo’s of people in the US doing exactly as Italy did in the early stages, parties, bar hopping, concerts etc; this is catastrophic and extremely selfish. I hope others follow your lead and advice, but there are always those that think they know better and therefore jeopardize the good intent of the ones who are trying so hard to stop the spread of this vicious disease. Thank you for the time and thought invested on this topic.
Barbara
03/16/2020 — 9:34 am
Well said.
Mac Osborne
03/16/2020 — 5:32 am
I am eighty years old and alone, and I have been practicing this for a week and this article has reaffirmed my thoughts and probably saved my life. I will not leave home for any reason till this is under control.
Julie
03/16/2020 — 5:36 am
We may have to change how the votes are going to be counted for our election. How can people safely be together in the same room to count the votes??
We might have to have the “ceo” count them alone in a secure room with video monitoring.
Anyone have a better idea? We must be safe.
Kilroy
03/16/2020 — 9:47 am
Thanks for the information. There is a lot of great information on this website which proves the masters of this website care about us. Makes me mad that some accusations of propaganda is happening.
Andy Kramek
03/16/2020 — 9:58 am
I may not be a great mathematician but my first degree was in Microbiology and Virology! The scenario painted here of infectious spread is only valid under IDEAL (i.e. Laboratory) conditions. In the real world spread is always much slower, and less severe, than purely than mathematical models predict. If that were not the case then we would all have died out from E. coli infection many years ago because, unlike bacteria which live, reproduce and spread in the environment, viruses are NOT alive and can only reproduce inside an infected host’s cells.
Having said that, the basic advice is good – to limit the spread of infection limit contacts with potentially infected people!
In addition, the vast majority of infected people recover with only mild or moderate symptoms and do not require advanced medical treatment. However, for those with chronic respiratory problems, or compromised immune systems the risk is significantly greater (just as it is with ‘flu for the same population).
It is also interesting that many countries that were affected initially have much higher than average rates of tobacco smoking (China, Italy, Iran all leap to mind). Hence they have populations more prone to respiratory infections. However, as many people seem unable to grasp, correlation, no matter how interesting, is NOT evidence of cause and effect.
Moe
03/16/2020 — 11:03 am
Andy – some great comments here and some sound advice…and I do believe you are correct about the spread issue…models are great…but we will soon find out who is right…the fear mongering fools on CNN or even minded people doing their best like President Trump…..
Andy Kramek
03/16/2020 — 12:17 pm
For the sake of completion, the doubling rate for E. Coli is 20 minutes under ideal conditions. This means that one single cell becomes 2 after 20 minutes, 4 after 40 minutes, 16 after an hour and so on. This is exactly the type of growth that Jason is referring to.
The facts are that, if a E. coli could sustain that rate of growth, the entire surface of the earth would be covered in a 1-foot layer of bacteria in just over 36 hours, and the total mass of E.coli would, after just 43 hours, equal the total mass of the earth!!!
Fortunately for us, the laws of thermodynamics ensure that ‘ideal conditions’ are quickly depleted by the organisms and growth stops. So this can never actually happen but it does illustrate the issue inherent in purely theoretical mathematical projections.
Conversely viruses are not alive, and do not exhibit logarithmic growth. A virus infects a host cell and takes over its metabolism to produce more virus particles. Those particles can infect other hosts and much research has been done to determine how long a particle can exist outside of its host. The answer depends on what you are looking for.
Detecting viral genetic material on solid surfaces has been shown to be possible for up to 28 days in some cases. HOWEVER, the fact the genetic material is detectable does NOT mean you have a viable virus.
Lots of factors affect the viability of virus particles outside their host – but two key ones are heat and humidity. Generally the higher humidity, and the warmer the environment – up to 100F (40C) the longer particles remain viable. This is because virus particles outside the host are destroyed by drying out!
So, the general consensus (as far it exists in the scientific literature) appears to be that RNA viruses can remain viable for up to two or three days in the right environment. Now, COVID-19 is an RNA virus, albeit a new strain, and while there is no specific data yet available there is no real reason to suppose it is any different in this respect from any of its predecessors or brethren in the RNA virus community.
Host-host transmission is the way this infection spreads and is why “social distancing” is the best way to prevent widespread infection.
Kirk Denger
03/16/2020 — 7:42 pm
You are right Andy, math is not your major. 2X4 is not 16. This new virus is 34 X as deadly as the common flu.
Andy Kramek
03/17/2020 — 8:09 am
Thank you for the correction.
HSVP C
03/17/2020 — 9:37 am
Kirk, to constantly dig at people, just for the sake of digging is not a very nice thing to do. To make a tactful correction is fine, but you usually do it as an unkind attack. Please reconsider how you interact with others.
4 x 4 = 16
Thank you.
Kirk Denger
03/17/2020 — 11:45 am
common flu virus .1% deaths. 1 per 1,000 cases
new flu virus 3.4% deaths. 34 per 1,000 cases
Kirk Denger
03/23/2020 — 6:12 am
If you practice what you preach Dowden, to put it tactfully, your site might rise above the negative reputation among more Villagers than the half-dozen of your choir who actually post their identities.
HSVP C
03/23/2020 — 8:24 am
Kirk, would your anonymous posts also be included among this half a dozen? You really have no idea how many people this site reaches so if I were you, I would quit showing my ignorance.
Kirk Denger
03/23/2020 — 1:39 pm
You are saying that all anonymous and unidentified commenters are those who you block their opinions?
HSVP C
03/23/2020 — 8:56 pm
I said no such thing.
Kirk Denger
03/31/2020 — 9:24 pm
Like Moe said, “We will soon see”
Lloyd Sherman
03/16/2020 — 10:01 am
There is no place for politics to be entering a discussion regarding a pandemic. If the President thought this was a hoax, why did he so quickly close the border to China? Stop trying to find a reason to discredit the President of the United States. This article is consistent with what health care professionals are recommending all across this nation. Restrict your interaction with others to those things necessary. DO NOT ATTEND large gatherings of people. The hospitals are going to become overwhelmed. Testing is already overwhelmed. Don’t try to be tested if you have no symptoms. Save those opportunities to those who believe they may be infected, so they can be taken care of. We are a spoiled society and it is time for all of us to think about others and not ourselves.
Someone asked about the upcoming board election count and we can also help in that process by the social distancing outlined here. Assuming we don’t have cases confirmed in the Village, there are responsible ways to conduct small gatherings for those that wish. I wouldn’t suggest attempting the count if the volunteers are not comfortable doing so. If it is held, then provide them gloves and masks and have a healthcare professional available and take the temp of anyone allowed into the counting room. Also, set up the room with responsible distance seating.
We have to be responsible about this issue while not going so far as to shut down all functions around us. Choas will ensue if that is attempted.
Moe
03/16/2020 — 11:01 am
Well said Lloyd. These people who use this situation to achieve some sort of political advantage are the ones who are sick….
ANONYMOUS
03/16/2020 — 12:14 pm
The president has a thing for keeping people out. Was definitely a good thing in this case. But if he didn’t think it was a hoax, why did he refuse testing kits offered by the WHO in January?
Moe
03/17/2020 — 2:37 pm
Because the WHO is a joke.
Minn Daly
03/16/2020 — 10:18 am
Loyd, thank you for your straight forward answers & common sense. When people loose the ability to think issues through we have caos, Just another example as to your ability to lead. This virus can be in control if we all use common sense! Trust the CDC & what they advise All to do. LTD for HSV! Minn Daly
Moe
03/16/2020 — 11:05 am
Hey eveyone! What about Julie’s concern on the vote counting. If all the doomsters are right there is no way we can have HSV residents crammed into a room counting a bunch of contaminated ballots…sitting next to each other…I support Julie’s idea of a closed off room with just a single person counting the votes….someone we all trust…what say you everyone?????
What can we do???
How will it be possible to safely count these votes I ask you. All of you……
Gene Garner
03/16/2020 — 12:04 pm
A well reasoned post and one we all should read. The safest country to be in, at this moment, is China. They did all that Jason recommends and are now in the recovery stage of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Of course in a “democratic dictatorship” it’s much easier to implement these effective but draconian measures. I remember the China News videos of the health police pulling people into vans and carting them off to quarantine. But it was the right answer to stop the spread of the virus.
We Americans are too busy to change our schedules or give up any of our favorite past times so we will probably see this pandemic play out like the 1918 version. There were about 500 million cases, world wide then, with a mortality rate of 2-3%. The exact number of deaths will never be known.
We are in a situation now of “we don’t know, what we don’t know.” That’s a quote from Donald Rumsfeld, Bush’s Sec. of Defense. It means we don’t really know what our problems are. We do know we don’t have enough “stuff” to fight the virus, like hospital beds, effective tests, first responders, masks, gloves etc.
but what else do we need to do?
I don’t see that as a political issue but someone or some agency should take responsibility and start fixing what needs to be fixed.—Gene
Robert Busse
03/16/2020 — 2:04 pm
I support taking all precautions short of completely shutting everything down and becoming a country of hermits or recluses. I am not advocating being reckless and ignoring recommended precautions and actions.
Addressing the coming vote count. I certainly do not think postponing or delaying the count is appropriate. Could we not reduce the number of counters, or have them come in for one “shift” count and go home. Then the counters could be spread out somewhat and there be less overall people in the room at a time. The room could be sanitized at the beginning of each single shift Counters could sanitize their hands frequently. And the ballot envelops could be sanitized as they are opened, by machine, before being counted.
Many precautions could be implemented. Also, the virus has a limited life span. Most all of the ballots have been sitting, unexposed to human life for many days, so quite possibly any virus would die out without infecting anyone. My point is, with proper care being given, the room and people counting can be protected and the count taken, although more slowly. But to suggest that one single individual be isolated/quarantined in a room is going a bit too far. How much error would be unintentionally added to a process such as that. And the time involved would be days.
I am sure Mr. Yeric can come up with a recommended, safe as possible, procedure that leadership can approve to get the votes counted so we can move along without totally disrupting the election and governance of our community.
Porter C
03/16/2020 — 2:20 pm
Sad!
You know – I would repost this article with the web address provided. It’s information that EVERYONE should be aware of.
But you know what, that would lead people to the Hot Springs Village People web site and of course that would expose ALL of HSV’s DIRTY LAUNDRY to those who click on the hotlink.
I won’t do it.
As important as this information is, I won’t have MY NAME associated with causing MORE DESTRUCTION to our Community.
Sad!
Chipmunk
03/16/2020 — 3:46 pm
Porter,
I think there just might be a spot for you on CNN, MSNBC or maybe even PELOSI’S STAFF. Why don’t you go apply?
HSVP C
03/16/2020 — 4:23 pm
Porter, the people who are destroying this community are not us. We are only exposing what is happening. You just used this article as an excuse to attack us. Doesn’t that make you feel ashamed to use an article on COVID-19 as a way of attacking HSV People website? It would if you had a conscience. If you don’t like us, go to another website. Unlike you, I am using my real name. – Cheryl
Bill
03/16/2020 — 3:45 pm
Use common sense, we don’t need a ten page diatribe to increase panic, make good smart choices for yourself and those around you. America, the greatest nation on earth will deal with this and we will be back to normal.
Lorri Street
03/16/2020 — 5:15 pm
Trump just announced today that he prescribes that 10 or less come together in a group. That will indeed impact the ballot day counting day. Nothing official from CEO Nalley but I anticipate some changes will have to be implemented.
As an aside…7 LARGE counties in CA. have now be ordered to shelter in place. HSV residents we may soon experience the same. Please prepare and reach out to neighbors if you need help!
Wayne
03/17/2020 — 8:59 am
Do not trust anything the little “ceo” says or does.
Their is no reason to believe anything she says.
Debbie
03/17/2020 — 11:21 am
I appreciate the analytical info. I am far from being a math whiz and had already run the numbers early in March b/c I was concerned about the virus doubling. All I could think of was how big is this iceberg?!
Please do not be foolish or selfish.
Mark
03/17/2020 — 5:49 pm
Wonder if he can use the math to predict what the stock market will do next week?