By Stephen Rust and Robert Busse
Stephen Rust said:
Quote from the judge’s ruling in the case requesting access to association records: “MEMBERS should have reasonable access to ALL OF THE RECORDED INFORMATION HELD BY THEIR ORGANIZATION as long as they have some kind of MINIMAL, NON-MALICIOUS purpose for wanting the information. To deny ANY MEMBER of the association access to ANY and or ALL recorded information, can only mean that those denying access determined that the member did not have a minimally reasonable purpose or that they determined the member had a malicious purpose. This is insulting to those that requested and were denied access to information. My opinion is that present leadership has once again proven that they have every intention of controlling the village in order to accomplish their desired purpose.
Did leadership read the Judge’s ruling?
Maybe leadership also did not read the part of the court ruling that states “if giving information raised the risk of identity theft, and negatively affected the security of HSV community they would still be required to provide access to inspect the records.”
I haven’t read the form people sign to get information, but nothing forbids giving info to those that aren’t property owners. In my opinion, leadership, without a doubt has defied what the court ruled.
Robert Busse’s response to Stephen Rust
I overwhelmingly agree with Mr. Rust. In a letter to Mr. Leeming, our BOD Chair indicated the appeal for information by the CEO was being upheld. It further indicated that THEY had determined he was going to use information in a manner detrimental to HSV.
Cindi Erickson’s denial to Frank Leeming
Erickson’s letter– “Frank, the board upholds Lesley’s denial of access to POA records, as reflected in your January 5 request, for these reasons:
- “Despite indicating that you do not intend to make the records available to those who are not members of HSVPOA, there is evidence that your email distribution list, which has been used to supply acquired records to others, includes some who are not HSVPOA members. Distributing records to those without regard to membership standing extends well beyond your stated purpose “to learn more about the operations of the POA.” (Note: In a phone conversation with you that just concluded, you ascertained that you intend to distribute the information to your email distribution list.)
- “Despite indicating that you do not intend to use the information to the detriment of the Association or others, the board feels that you have in fact done so in at least one prior records access request. As a result, this board has chosen to avoid this risk by denying your January 5 request as submitted. Please contact Lesley directly if you would like to know which of the documents you request do not exist. Cindi Erickson”
Directors upheld denial
At the February BOD meeting, the four directors present voted unanimously to uphold Nalley’s denial of information requested by Frank Leeming and a different request by Lloyd Sherman. I did not see anything in the judge’s ruling that said that the CEO/BOD had the right to, or was supposed to determine the actual (in their eyes) intended use of an individual’s request. Nor did I see in the judgment that any information, obtained by an individual, could NOT be seen by anyone who is not a member of our Association. Therefore, denial of information requested by Lemming is in contempt of court and should be filed with the court!
POA violating their own policy/restriction?
I would like to also remark that our Leadership and POA quite regularly violate their own policy/restriction quite often. How many businesses or outside individuals, looking to engage with the POA in some manner, come to the POA to get information on some matter so they may pursue a relationship with us. Or, the POA may ask them to come to perform some action or project. When those folks start asking questions does the POA deny them information because they are not owners? Or when there is a delegation of POA leaders/management attending a conference, convention or trade show, etc., do they deny any information to those nonmembers who may have inquisitive questions about our community??
POA’s actions contrary to court judgment?
This denial of POA information is illegal, unlawful and I would hope to be brought to the court system soon. A Contempt of Court ruling will certainly be made generating a Cease and Desist Order, and possible fines or jail time for certainly the CEO and BOD who have voted to deny owners access to reasonable information. This has got to stop and these actions are contrary to the spirit of the court judgment.
Summary Judgment (7/8/19)
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Video of Rust speaking at 2/19/20 Board Meeting
By Stephen Rust and Robert Busse, February 21, 2020
Thank you for reading.
Gene Garner
02/21/2020 — 11:46 am
There may be relief coming soon. With today’s announcement of Dixon resigning there will be 4 directors elected this year–according to Erickson.
If 4 are elected and they don’t support the CEO there’ is the chance that the Board can buy her out. It will be expensive because of her contract but it may be worth it. She has caused a large division among we Villagers and changed the character of HSV into warring camps.
Of course that may be what she wants, walk away with a pocket full of cash and go on to bigger and better things.—Gene
No CEO!
02/22/2020 — 4:49 pm
Do we even have to have a general manager? Could we try getting by without one for a while? At least until it is made clear that any replacement will act as a general manager answering to the Board and not as a CEO bullying the Board.
Robert Busse
02/21/2020 — 1:03 pm
Gene is right. The only reasonable and smart way to remove her from office is to buy her contract out. Yes it will cost a lot of money. But so will waiting for or finding some reason to fire her. And then that would result in a very costly court case, which could take a couple of years or more to be decided. Then she could appeal a negative verdict.
Having to wait until there are 6 of 7 directors on the Board, who will not renew her 2 year contract, is not likely to happen any time soon.
If she is bought out, it can happen expeditiously and the cost would around what a court battle would be, without a long drawn out court case and legal expenses, resulting from firing her.
steve bylow
02/21/2020 — 9:56 pm
Gene and Robert
While I understand the positive news of Mr. Dixon resigning because we will have four folks with strong business acumen who can develop a strategy to get us back on track. I don’t see removing the CEO as a high priority and I don’t recall LTD (Lloyd, Tucker, Dick) as having that at the top of their list in a prior article.
I’m not saying it won’t or should not happen but my guess is LTD will focus on:
1. Get elected.
2. Reach out to Board members and CEO to ensure they understand the logic for their prior decisions.
3. Develop a strategy with appropriate governance.
4. Develop a structure and fill the positions.
5. Implement the changes and reengage staff and volunteers who may have felt marginalized in the past.
6. Manage expectations – will everyone be happy? NO, but at least we’ll have reasonable strategy and TRANSPARENCY.
With LTD’s past experience, my guess is this could all be done in 6-9 months.
In other words, I don’t think focusing on the CEO at this time adds value.
Minn Daly
02/21/2020 — 2:09 pm
Great news! Now we can vote LTD & KD for our NEW BOD. Loyd, Tucker, Dick & Kirk for HSV POA BOD! All love our community, have lived here a long time @ want The village to be a sound Financial entity. Building back trust & good will with membership. Minn Daly
Tom Blakeman
02/21/2020 — 2:22 pm
Let’s not count our chickens just yet.
Before the new electees are seated, the currently existing 5 board members, of which at least 3 are ardent Nalley supporters, could renew her contract again with such onerous terms that a buyout would not even be possible.
I’d bet they already have the lawyers preparing the legal language – our expense.
Gene Garner
02/21/2020 — 2:36 pm
I think Tom might be right. The remaining Directors could also appoint two like minded replacements, preserving a 4 to 3 majority that support the CEO. It’s too early to count our chickens.–Gene
Al Lipson
02/21/2020 — 6:48 pm
Replacements are only on the board until the next election.
Kirk Denger
02/21/2020 — 10:19 pm
How true Al and the inevitable end to the slippery grip that DPZ has on HSV. Bylaws Article VII section 4. The Board does not have the Governing Power except by a majority vote of the Board. The 6/7 terms of the ceo contract exceed the Governing Power of the board and is therefore invalid. A majority vote can terminate the contract for cause which is violating the terms of the contract because of the ceo’s participating in the Governance committee which was in violation of the HSVPOA governing documents at the time. No severance pay, good-bye.
Mitch W
02/22/2020 — 1:20 pm
What if that governing power was used to enter into such an agreement? You are not rational, Kirk, and everyone knows it.
Kirk Denger
02/23/2020 — 7:23 am
Mitch W02/22/2020 — 1:20 pm, the axiom of logic may not be your strong suit, thereby everyone you know.
Kilroy
02/23/2020 — 8:22 am
Kirk, Please. Please get a grip. You have a good chance of being elected. Don’t waste this. We want you to do for us what the past boards have done for Lesley and they have done it well, I might add. Be a “bobble head”. Get on the team and see how many friends you will have. Let LTD guide you to victory.
Kirk Denger
02/23/2020 — 9:24 pm
Enjoy your fantasy with your friends. I am not affiliated with a limited team, my candidacy is unlimited. Your values are different than mine, this is not about us and them. We are a Village living together in peace and harmony for fifty years with respect for each other all along. My friends trust me. Kilroy, please do not waste your vote on me.
Politico
02/21/2020 — 10:19 pm
Don’t trust the Buddy resignation, he could easily have waited until after the election and then resigned. That would have opened the door for a like minded replacement of one of Nalley’s friends.
Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Announcement that Nalley’s contract has been extended for 2-3 years or that the candidate list will be opened up because of Buddy’s late announcement.
Choyce is not doing well in her candidate answers nor CMP leadership, so the legacy board needs a stronger candidate.
steve bylow
02/22/2020 — 11:33 am
Maybe Buddy recognized the Board is going to be going in a different direction which he is not comfortable with and decided to move on.
In regard to the CEO contract being extended 2-3 years; I’d be shocked if any Board member would damage their personal reputation by voting for a CEO contract extension after viewing the CEO’s 2019 Accomplishment’s which were cited in a previous HSVP article.
The specific CEO accomplishment which stunned me was citing that a specific department had reduced costs while other departments increased costs. That is called shifting expenses and is not considered an “accomplishment” in any corporation I’ve worked for or invested in.
I may wrong but I’ll give folks the benefit of the doubt.
Linda Anderson
02/21/2020 — 8:43 pm
THANK YOU STEPHEN for stepping forward to speak about how the POA is defying the judgement to allow information to records. The fact that there was never any statement from the Judge to forbid information to non property owners says it all. The CEO , with the approval of the BOD, decided to make their own rules to stop anyone from their records. The CEO decided: I will put a stop to this. The lawyers were called in and the deal was done. A sinister divisive move to separate the Elite POA from the community. They are challenging the community. The BOD/CEO have lost all connection to who they represent. This swamp must be removed.
VOTE FOR LTD & KIRK to take back our community.
Moe
02/22/2020 — 6:01 am
One thing we have learned for sure is that you can not trust the “ceo” or most of the current board. Something very wrong about this.
Lloyd Sherman
02/22/2020 — 10:58 am
The rationale for declining information I requested was pretty much attorney-client privilege. It further stated I would need a court order to gain access to the information. One of the tidbits I found out during this latest round of information gathering was that the board members have to fill out a Request for Information if they want access to information. Does that sound odd to anyone else?
How does one stand on the premise of attorney-client privilege when the POA is comprised of the property owners (now being referred to as members) and if the POA gets sued, we all get sued. It is our money that pays for any of the legal expenses so exactly what is being hidden in the detail of the invoices I was not allowed to see?
I can assure you I am not done asking and seeking answers.
Be careful what you wish for
02/22/2020 — 10:41 pm
Just think you will be “responsible” when those questions are asked. Good luck.
Richard
02/22/2020 — 2:48 pm
rather than buy out Nalleys contract and have to pay her off for doing nothing would it be possible for the board to redefine the CEO duties(temporarily until she is gone) so that yes we would still pay her but bring in a qualified Village Manager and we could Designate the CEO to be in charge of dumping the wastebaskets in the POA building only. it’s a little like the Walking Tall movie scenario to deal with corrupt people in powerful positions.
George
02/22/2020 — 4:50 pm
That is a good idea Richard.
Board has a responsibility to set the vision, restructuring and splitting operations from administration falls within their ability. Let Nalley head up Administration and the board can interview and select a head of operations from existing management.
If Nalley doesn’t agree with the vision and direction, she can exist at any gate, no card needed.
Andy Kramek
02/22/2020 — 6:10 pm
I believe that Gene Garner has already pointed out that the Ms Nalley’s contract specifically states that the duties of the CEO are not subject to alteration or amendment for the duration of the contract without her agreement.
While that may seem absurd, it is by no means improper and certainly not illegal. Having said that, the usual form of such contracts includes the proviso that changing needs of the business may necessitate changes in duties – apparently the geniuses that constituted the board who approved the contract didn’t consider such a clause either desirable or necessary.
George
02/22/2020 — 7:43 pm
Statement from the contract leaves the door open.
The CEO job description in effect at the time of the execution of the Agreement will remain in effect during the course of this Agreement and any extensions thereof except to the extent that the job description is amended by mutual agreement of the CEO and the Board.
Board needs to require a restructuring of the organization.
We will never know unless we try. It sends a message and makes it clear where she stands.
Mark
02/22/2020 — 5:35 pm
Once LTD&K are elected, assign Nalley to toilet detail at all POA facilities. Maybe she’d be better suited for those responsibilities.
steve bylow
02/23/2020 — 7:08 am
Anonymous Mark –
While I’m glad we agree LTD&K are the best path forward, I feel your CEO comment is inappropriate and does a disservice to LTD.
I can’t blame the CEO for the agreement she negotiated by I can blame the employment lawyer/consultant who advised the HSV Board.
Some folks have tried to paint LTD supporters as extreme complainers who simply want to get rid of the CEO and will be complaining in a year from now – your anonymous comment reinforces that perception.
Mark
02/23/2020 — 8:27 pm
Steve Bylow, I’m not seeking your judgement regarding my comment nor am I speaking for any of the candidates or other supporters. I most certainly do want to see Nalley removed and hope that will be accomplished in the near future.
Kirk Denger
02/27/2020 — 11:33 pm
Mark, you and most I know and meet want to stop payment on the CEO contract mainly because of the excessive expense among many other reasons. Lesly Nalley is a fairly good administrator who would be good as a consultant after resigning as CEO rather than being removed April 15th, 2020.
Kilroy
02/28/2020 — 8:01 am
Kirk, you are a turncoat before you even get close to smelling the Kool Aide.
Kirk Denger
03/03/2020 — 6:06 pm
Kilroy, you are using the term that I coined on this site. Can you not think for yourself?
Andy Kramek
02/28/2020 — 10:07 am
Actually, the reason so many people are opposed to the “ceo” is that she is a terrible administrator whose personal agenda is contrary to the wishes of a significant number, if not an actual majority, of residents. Moreover she has engineered what is essentially a hostile takeover of the management of the village, making widespread changes to governing documents and effectively neutering the board. She has overseen a massive decline in the state, and finances, of the village and seems to have no idea how to correct things other than to raise fees and prices for residents.
We shall see what the election brings and will be in a better position to judge just how many people are opposed to her policies after we see the results.
Karen Daigle Lundberg
02/28/2020 — 8:29 pm
Kirk Denger, I’m glad to see you finally coming out on social media to expose yourself and your thoughts about our “ceo,” which I find laughable. But as a candidate for the Board of Directors, what I would like to see you post, verbatim, is what you told me personally about how you feel about the members of Hot Springs Village People. You know, the people you are asking to vote for you. As I recall, it was not pleasant at all. Are you honest enough to admit it here for everyone to see?
Kirk Denger
02/28/2020 — 11:26 pm
Lundberg, you posted your memory of what I said already on this site. Have you lost all of your memory? What is laughable is your honesty. The losers who are gullible enough to believe the heavily censored propaganda of HSVpeople.com, should not vote for Kirk Denger. Look for “Vote Three” last year which has conveniently been deleted from this site. Let’s see if this comment is deleted as so many of my opinions have been before Dixon resigned.
HSVP C
02/29/2020 — 7:30 am
Kirk, if you really think this is a heavily censored propaganda site, why are you here? Your honesty is in question.
Don’t do it
02/28/2020 — 11:07 am
Hire her back as an administrator? Did you slip and hit your head. Good grief.
Kirk Denger
02/29/2020 — 12:10 am
Notice the realtime between when the comment is made and when it is posted after going thru censorship review.