Hot Springs Village Culture Shift Part 2 Transcript (The video is located at the bottom of this transcript. Click here to read Culture Shift Hot Springs Village Part 1. )
Lloyd Sherman, June 6, 2021
Hello again. This is Lloyd Sherman and I am back for part two. Again, I warn people that there will be comments made in here that will not make some people happy. But, I guess I don’t have to apologize for that because it is the way it needs to be.
Just a quick review. In part one we talked a little bit about the background of why there needs to be a culture shift. In a nutshell, this group of people has to be working together as a team. It has to be Property Owner focused and not Staff focused. There has been too much emphasis on Staff directing the focus around here and not enough Property Owner input and actually listening to them. Let’s get on with some of my suggestions.
The first thing I would do in an organization was to look at its organizational structure. The one we have here is more of a hierarchical org chart and it needs to be more functional.
My way of doing things is to, again, obviously the Property Owners are at the top of the pyramid here. We have an elected set of Board of officials. You have your GM. From there, though, this person [General Manager] needs to have some assistance in watching over the day-to-day activities and that needs to be done through two levels – at least two levels, let’s put it that way of Assistant GM’s and then breaking up the hierarchical chain into more of the functions.
Under this particular one [refer to the functions under General Manager in the chart above], you would have several departments that would report directly to the General Manager and you would have several that reported to each of the [Assistant] General Managers.
All of these with asterisks, under this structure, would be on a reduced base salary. Upside of making potentially more by performance from results. And I don’t mean results like the softball results we used to ask for. I am talking about increasing revenues, decreasing costs. I am talking about specific measures that at the end of the year, you can determine whether they got there or not.
If that doesn’t occur, there is no motivation for any of this structure to do anything different than this structure because, in this structure, this is your management team. Where under the previous one I just showed, you had a three-person senior management team, and then the rest of this and this [indicating job positions on the above chart] are falling out as functions. Most of these positions on here, if not all of them, are manager-level positions. There has got to be some consolidation. I am aware of several, myself, right now, that could take place.
The other thing I have difficulty dealing [with] and understanding is that we’ve added to this org chart the positions that we’ve eliminated and yet, our compensation line this year is going to be the highest it has ever been, at least on the budget. At 18.6 million, which when you compare that to the net assessments we receive, our compensation line, alone, now that is salaries, benefits, is 130% of the net assessments we receive. That is not a winning recipe and it needs to be dealt with.
This was a good start. [indicating red positions on above chart] You know the old attorney joke. But it didn’t go far enough and the culture basically stopped it. That’s why this culture just needs to change.
Under the one I am talking about, the salaries are now based on financial performance. Again, a much-reduced base with upside potential based on actual measurable financial results. As I mentioned, changing to a functional, instead of a hierarchical, combining functions. There are several that could be. But most of all, let’s utilize the talent that exists within the Village. We’ve got a myriad of experience here that, given the opportunity, they do a great job and their hearts are in the right place. Let’s utilize them.
One of the first ones I would ask the Board to assign would be a Compensation and Job Description Ad hoc Committee to help within 30 days. To get this done within 30 days, you could put a committee together and get through every job description in the organization. Benchmark it and establish the org chart going forward. We just went through six months where the org chart didn’t change for six months. We weren’t really doing anything. There needs to be more interaction with the Property Owners to let them know what is going on in the operations and I would propose doing that through monthly town halls. You might be able to move those to quarterly at some point. At first, anyway, they need to be monthly.
Let’s talk a little bit about the Board of Directors. I am pretty sure everybody knows what my thoughts are on this because I was with the group that intentionally changed it to the way that it should be and then it got changed back to the way that it was because that is the way we’ve always done it.
At any rate, your Board of Directors [indicating Board of Directors on above chart]. Treasurer, and Secretary should be employees of the Board of Directors, not reporting to the General Manager. That is a conflict of interest. It doesn’t look good from an auditing standpoint.
Let’s talk about some ways we might make this happen. Let’s start paying our Board of Directors a stipend. Pick a number – $250 $750. Make it enough that it would stimulate interest from more of the Villagers that still want to work part-time and they could do it by helping their community but not so much that it would be jobs that would be available that would be life-sustaining. So much like a part-time job because that is what this is supposed to be is part-time volunteer work.
Let’s expand the qualifications for being a Board Member beyond simply being a Property Owner in good standing. You’ve got to have a breadth of knowledge, on the Board. Some of that has to be people who have been in positions of running operations, companies, putting their signature on the front of a check. Something more than having been a successful business person.
Set up a separate budget and let the Board spend it on managing. That is what they are there for, anyway. As I said, Secretary and Treasurer, need to be paid positions. Again, they should be part-time, so again, pick a number, but, enough money to entice somebody with the qualifications that can do these jobs, but not so much that this is a full-time job.
Expand the number of people on the Board to nine to spread the workload. Organizations are notorious for, volunteer organizations I mean, notorious for twenty percent of the people doing eighty percent of the work. Our Board is probably no different. It wasn’t when I was on there. At any rate, that will just help with the workload that actually does go to the Board. It is a no-win situation position to take in the first place.
As I said, I was glad that I waited for the Future Funding Task Force meeting because I have some things I guess I’d like to say to them. I would be glad to meet with them if they want to meet with me. I might go into a few more details than I am going to here. I think they can get the idea.
First of all, congratulations. The work that you have done is admirable. It was a different way of putting the information together. It quantified it much better than we have seen in the past, but we learned that we had a big red blob. By that, they described it as the needs that need to get done. Well, we already knew about that. That is nothing new. I don’t know. I was a little disappointed in that because many of us that have been here for a while were well aware that we had a huge backlog that needed to get taken care of.
My other concern that I had, is that it took three months to get here with the data that they presented at this meeting. They have two [months] left in their self-imposed, I guess, or Board-imposed timeline and here we go again, rushing an activity that is not even close – not even close to being done yet. I’ve said it before. I’m going to say it again, not one dime of increased assessments until we know that the operation we have is functioning at optimum performance and at optimum use of the existing dollars. I am going to explain that a little bit more in a couple of minutes.
The other thing I got out of it was, we keep treating the symptoms instead of the problem. Again, the problem here is the culture that has been established and doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. We are doing it with the garbage trucks right now. It seems like that should have been put off, at least for another year, or at least until this committee got their work done. But no, we had to rush it through, too, because we were going to miss the interest [rate] opportunity. I am sorry, I am tired of hearing that.
I guess the message I want to send to the Future Funding Task Force is this – everything you do, if the culture doesn’t change, you are going to pour whatever suggestions you do right back into the same machine that got us here. It’s not going to get us anywhere and it’s going to wind up getting misused again.
While I am on it, I didn’t hear anything in the meeting where I saw any time-and-motion-work-measurement people, operations-type people that have run operations before and actually know how to improve processes to get more value out of them. I am a little concerned about that. I wasn’t asked on the front end. There is that.
Why does all this make any difference? Because revenue and cost have got to work together for an overall value to come out of it. We’re going to use $100,000 as an example here. At the revenue line, if I bill $100,000 and I am making a one percent profit margin (which we don’t), our bottom-line impact is then $1,000 per $100,000. You’re going to pour that into the funnel. That’s coming out the bottom.
Now if you go after costs, the bottom-line impact of finding $100,000, you poured $100,000 into the funnel and you got $100,000 out of the funnel.
The other thing I would like to tell you about this approach and that’s why the job descriptions and managers have to be on these kinds of compensation plans is that for every million dollars in savings, the assessments won’t have to go up. I realize this is being hidden by the picture, by about $9 a month, every month.
Let’s say you had a program where you were going to eliminate ten percent of the POA costs somehow. And I believe it is probably still sitting out there, but wouldn’t know until you got into the day-to-day activities. Three million dollars would be dropping to the bottom line if you did that. How much good would three million dollars do to our overall requirements?
I am running long. I understand that. I tried to keep this at fifteen minutes. It didn’t work.
What qualifies me to be giving anybody any advice? I understand this culture and what is expected of the Board and I know how to drive operations to make that happen. I’ve been there. I’ve done it.
When I was recruited to Mississippi, I walked into a very similar situation where the culture needed to be changed and we built a team that took that place from 1.5 million to 58 million in eight and a half years. We were eventually acquired and we went public. As part of that acquisition, I was requested to go to the Texas region and take over a losing proposition of eight offices there along with three other states. I had 14 offices and 500 plus employees and a budget back then in excess of 38 million dollars. I doubled the revenues in two and a half years and took it from a losing proposition to 2.2 million bottom line. I’ve had the experience of taking complex operations and making them tuned and operating properly.
Then for the next 12 years, I was in my own consulting business and my specialty was turn arounds – pulling people that were on the verge of bankruptcy out of bankruptcy and where they continued to operate. I wouldn’t want to be doing that in today’s environment. But I enjoyed doing it back then.
Mostly, I am a part of this community and I want what is best for the whole community. I want everybody here to enjoy our active lifestyle, gated community that has a vast reservoir of talented retirees that want to help. We just have to give them the opportunity.
With that I am going to end up by saying, keep my org chart in mind. I’m still available. I have others who wish to join me in this endeavor and I hate to say it but it’s true, if there is consideration being given to one of the existing employees, as your next General Manager, they are part of the culture, and that culture has to change. And it won’t change if you don’t change the culture.
Future Funding, if you have any influence, I would ask that you listen to me. Thank you for your time and I am always available if people have questions. Thank you and have a good day.
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HSVP C
06/06/2021 — 12:57 pm
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Kim Victorine
06/06/2021 — 1:51 pm
Once again Lloyd, you have articulated a suggest plan very well. For the most part I agree with your suggestions. Liked the “Old School” mention of MBWA as an action the GM should take. I would suggest following the new and improved method of Gemba Walks. Its not enough to just walk around, executive need to go directly to the point where value (Gemba) is created in each operation. Only thru direct observation can the executive see what works, what does not, and mainly where value is created effectively and where waste is apparent. Lean Manufacturing, and Lean Enterprise, show us that most operation only create value 5% to 10% of the time. The remaining time is non-value added activities. Some required by statutory or regulatory requirements, but most just done by doing the same things that have always been done. If the BOD and POA are looking to reduce costs, but not reduce service than lean enterprise efforts are what I would suggest. I have seen 300% to 400% improvements in multiple organizations over the last 20 years.
I also agree the the Secretary and Treasurer should report to the BOD, like the GM. The committees could function as minor BOD’s for the functional POA departments.
In my shot time on the Marketing Committee I was able to see the good and bad of the BOD and the POA. One thing I will stress is for the most part the individual I have met, committee members, residents, BOD members and POA employees all want to do what is best for HSV. I support their intent.
I agree as well, that residing in HSV is an untapped set of organizational, Strategic Planning, Executive leadership, Transformation leaders and Improvement trainers.. This is a vast and deep bench of professionals that the BOD and the POA have at their fingertips, if they choose to utilize them. I have never been involved with any organization that had that deep of a bench available. I have also never been involved with an organization that choose to not utilize such valuable resources.
Would love to sit down with you sometime to chat.
Best regards and keep up your efforts,
Lloyd Sherman
06/06/2021 — 2:24 pm
Thank you Kim. Sounds like you and I could have some productive discussions, but as noted, if they only remain with the property owners, they do absolutely no good. You can refer to whatever name you want to change the way we do business here, but it is clear to me that if that change does not occur, we will linger in mediocrity. I absolutely agree with your comments on productivity and that has been my point all along on deep-dives into every amenity and operation. A tag line on my personal email states: YOUR GET WHAT YOU INSPECT, NOT WHAT YOU EXPECT!
Kim Victorine
06/06/2021 — 2:50 pm
Haven’t heard that line in a while, LOL. Inspection is one of the 9 wastes identified in Lean. I use “Do the right things, right. First time, every time”.
The problem for both the POA, the BOD and many residents is identifying the “Right things to do”.
I’m a short timer here, so I do not know a lot about the strategies of the past. But my experience in Strat planning leads me to believe for the most part if the strategy was actually strategic, than the problems come from poor implementation of the tactical plans that support the strategy.
It surely looks like a solid “turnaround plan” needs to be developed. That needs to include a transformation plan for the structure of the POA for the “Current State” and another for it “Future State”. I like you, do not see this type of discussion happening at the BOD or the POA Executive level.
But once again, I think we are on the same page.
Sue Hampker
06/06/2021 — 2:01 pm
So enjoyed this & right with you.
Diana Podawiltz
06/06/2021 — 8:03 pm
Very well written. I especially like your ideas of:
1) Corporate Treasurer & Corporate Secretary being direct reports to board as that was implemented as soon as I became chair and you, Tucker, Dick & Kirk became directors. The part time stipend is important because of the time commitment. I would consider a Coronado Fitness Membership for every Board Member & these 2 BOD employees if they do not have an insurance provided membership. Perhaps compensation could also be non monetary by providing use of an amenity.
2) The culture has to change and we have to better utilize our “bench” as described in the comment from Kim Victorine.
3) The one thing you didn’t address – perhaps it’s coming – is our broken revenue model. Approximately 11,000 non performing lots and an assessment rate which hasn’t kept pace with the increase in the cost of living for the past 51 years. However, any increase must be prudently managed.
Jeff Atkins
06/08/2021 — 8:21 pm
I have a plan for the unproductive lots. I presented it to the CEO in December 2016. I presented it again to the full Board and GM in October 2020.
In 2016, the CEO decided to pursue a full blown internal real estate brokerage (a since-abandoned disaster) and the CMP (a bigger since-abandoned disaster), and ignored my plan.
In 2020, management decided to go with the alternative submitted by a Realtor. That plan has 0% chance of really changing anything.
If my plan had been adopted in 2016, we (collective ‘we’) would have control of the non-performing lot situation.
Chris Trimble
06/07/2021 — 8:12 am
Lloyd and all,
I spent 39 years with a fortune 100 company in upper middle management. During my career I had various responsibilities managing upwards of $750 million in worldwide product purchases. I was a 6 Sigma black belt, which was a very focused process of reviewing current manufacturing processes and eliminating waste within in them. Waste was cost and cost was made up from materials, time, quality and manpower. A very powerful and successful tool if used properly.
One issue I have not seen in your presentation or anywhere in our current structure is – Where are the goals and objectives established by the BOD for the the village. These need to be the first priority as they should give direction to the General Manager as he establishes goals and objectives for the various department heads and hence they establish them for their staff and employees. All of these various objectives should all lead to the same end goal/goals that the BOD has given the General Manager. This goal or goals should be initiated from the property owners to and through the BOD. These Goals and Objectives should be posted on websites and very visible to all managers and employees and property owners. These goals and objectives MUST BE: Achievable, Measurable and Agreed upon. All should then be held accountable to these goals and objectives. Compensation both current and future should be tied to these. Just one of the items I feel is missing.
Also, the BOD needs to get their hands out of the daily operation of the village, leave that to the GM and his department heads. Much easier once everyone has a common set of objectives and goals. Thanks.
Ray Lehman
06/07/2021 — 10:48 am
Chris, you identified one of the current areas of focus for the current BOD. Once the Comprehensive Master Plan was removed from Hot Springs Village there wasn’t a set of goals established. I recall in 2020 as my Marketing Committee was efforting to help the Marketing Department build their 2021 budget the issue that kept coming up was “How do we plan when we don’t have goals and a direction?”. A lunch with the BOD Chair Joanie Correy might help answer your question.
HSVP C
06/07/2021 — 11:04 am
Great comment, Ray. But might I suggest the Board take it one step further instead of having private lunches with individuals to disseminate information, it would probably save a lot of angst and uncertainty in the community if they would share their goals publicly with the Villagers. One lunch at a time is nice and good, but it would take a lot of lunches to let everyone know and many of us desire this information One way of sharing information and asking questions is your idea of a scheduled coffee meet-up. I think you are on to something really great there and would like to see you help the BOD develop this.
Lloyd Sherman
06/08/2021 — 6:30 pm
Chris,
Thank you for your input and it is exactly this type of input a GM and managers should be utilizing in the performance of their duties. Great insight and I wish we could put together property owner groups that would come up with solutions based on their lifetime of work.
Tom Blakeman
06/07/2021 — 11:24 am
Goals and Objectives were mentioned. The CMP was mentioned.
Since I’ve been here there have only been feel good, touchy-feely type, smoke and mirrors goals. Or as Lloyd called them “softballs”. As to the CMP, it was merely a “build it and they will come” dream package totally out of touch with the reality of what the Village was, is, or could/should be.
Edward Norling
06/08/2021 — 1:52 pm
What we have here is some mish-mash “plan” by a blow hard who was a failure as a director. In real simple terms spending needs to be reduced and revenues need to be spent wisely. Like building a pool but deferring road maintainence, for example. We don’t have a revenue problem, but a spending problem.
Lloyd Sherman
06/08/2021 — 6:27 pm
Just a guess, but I’m guessing you’re not a fan! Actually we have both a revenue and a spending problem. I had nothing to do with the pool and I certainly am not the one who made the decision not to do road maintenance for the last 15 years. You can consider my time on the board a failure if you like, but not being on the board any longer gives me the freedom to expose holes that continue to exist in our POA. If you have suggestions on how you think things can be improved, I am sure we would love to hear them, or are you going to be just another critic who condemns but never provides anything constructive.
Wes Smith
06/08/2021 — 9:18 pm
Lloyd,
Superlative assessment with in-depth written & visual presentation. I learn so much in your continuing education revealing what makes the Village operations tick.
Lloyd’s turn around expertise in MS & TX are true examples of ‘been there and done that’ These proven track record are no accidents they are from a seasoned Executive. This is precisely the regiments & prescription needed to surgically dissect & trim the fat out of HSV!
Lloyd’s residency allows him the added unique qualification of hitting the ground running on day 1 . Any outsider candidate is going to be behind the learning curve which equates to time wasted. Nobody on the current POA staff comes close to these superb achievements.
The next GM needs to possess a mature thick skin to take the critics pop shots. I believe Lloyd has a bullet proof shield & will surround himself with Assistants who know their way around the firing range.
I use analogies to describe businesses. HSV operations is akin to an ailing out of shape bloated sluggish patient in and out of the hospital who has a sour disposition, stressed out & in desperate need of a lifestyle coach like Lloyd Sherman to WAKE UP , get the lead out , trim the fat & raise your awareness from wondering what the heck is going on to enlightenment , encouragement & healthy long full filled lives.
Time is a precious commodity I strongly urge everyone to look at this gentleman’s credentials , integrity and passion for the Village. Furthermore, he is only asking $90,000 in salary.
I totally agree with the examination of every in house positions salary review & structure from base to bonuses based on job performance Every employee should be accountable in an annual job performance review. Promote and compensate those who earn it , retrain those who are mediocre & terminate those who don’t meet the job requirements.
I’m fine with perks or stipends to BOD or even Committee to hopefully motivate the untapped talent pool of HSV to get involved. My colleague Marcy Mercel has long desired to start a professional directory to utilize as consultants on ad hoc basis as volunteers! Bravo Marcy !!
Finally, in my profession of Market Research I would recommend what is called an omnibus panel . This would be an invitation to HSV residents to participate in quarterly opinion surveys as a qualified respondent. The questionnaire would be closed ended using various methodologies to quantify the opinions of the panel . Market Research is a powerful tool to bridge the information gap between residents & management. As founder of Market Mix , Inc our staff successfully preforms omnibus panels as we are subcontracted out by our clientele which if you cate to see is on my website. Our database of approximately 3000 Mississippians is segmented demographically, geographically & psychologically to statistically target our clients job specs . Our industry motto is Your Opinion Counts . Our company slogan is “See tomorrow, today! “ I see tomorrow as Lloyd Sherman GM for hopefully many years to come !
All the Best to Your Success Lloyd 👍🙏😉
Susan Posner
06/12/2021 — 11:32 pm
TASK FORCE( more fluff) corporate salesmen from past lives. Sales isn’t operations and many rogue corporate salesmen have run a corporation into the ground by trying to sell something that doesn’t exist in operations. We all know that when you pay for something based on what salesman said only to find the product is nothing they said it would be, return becomes a pain thus killer of new sales. TASK FORCE has opinions, too much of a wish list than a concrete direction. Customers(owners) are the direction present and as each future board happens that still applies going forward, pliable as it goes, not rigid. (there are no crystal balls, projections are never guaranteed) Any GM should be completely under the board, not self serving or rogue and board completely representative of the entire community not to their slice of it. Even if board or operations are customers(owners) themselves, it’s the whole not the part that counts. Any GM must be like the board in loyalty to all customer(owners) it has to be that way, GM must pass that loyalty to the customer to the departments under them. The customers(owners) money should most definitely be directly under board duty, that’s that pesky fiduciary duty that boards are legally bound to. Committees made up of specific types of customers(owners) but they are not the operations, nor a complete representation, more of focus groups for the board to tap into for feedback. PS: stop selling empty lots with no commitment to build up front or for membership in amenities; who started that was a fool, not a developer. HSV is a residential community first and far most the identity, the main course, amenities are the add on, the side dishes.
Melinda Alvord
06/17/2021 — 1:36 pm
Ray Lehman, your comment confused me a little. I totally agree with you that trying to create and budget for a marketing plan when you have no ideas from management/bod what the goals are is not just frustrating, it’s impossible. Your comment about sitting down with the Board Chair (Joannie in this case) would be worthwhile is what confused me. Are you saying that you had this experience and it cleared things up for you? Did Joannie share with you a set of official 2021 Board established goals? If so, why wouldn’t the board think it would be a splendid idea to share these goals with the entire membership as has always been done in prior years immediately following the May Board retreat. So far as I know, we have seen no written confirmation of what goals the current board has established for 2021. I’m beginning to think after observing their first two board meetings that their “goal” is just to do whatever staff recommends and not ask any meaningful questions and stay out of the way. Without goals, how does the GM know what to do? How do we know what to expect? As Cheryl Dowden stated, we all can’t have one-on-ones to get this information. My suggestion at the very least is to revisit having monthly informal board/GM/property owner get togethers which you touched on recently at a meeting. There were reasons the Weiss/Erickson Boards who briefly tried this were not successful….mostly that they wanted to exercise too much control and the stock answer that they couldn’t/wouldn’t discuss anything deemed “operational” (for fear of breaching the CEO’s contract, is my guess) made the whole thing DOA. Say what you will about Scott Randall, (a GM from before your time in HSV), I give him credit for doing monthly coffees, which board members also attended, where we learned a lot about what was going on for those folks who were interested in knowing. Questions were always respectful and none were dodged. I’d like to see that initiated again.